SPOILERS: True Blood Season 4 Summary Revealed

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Elise February 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Guys, people keep asking why Eric told her. The whole season 3 she’s been asking him about this, the whole season she’s been “tell me why I can’t trust Bill!” and then she drags him back inside and saves his life. And after all that, Bill tried to kill him. Dude, he knows Bill better then all of us, maybe he figured telling her was the least he could do, to tell her that her boyfriend is a crappy boyfriend. And, by the way, sign #22 that your relationship is on the rocks is when your girlfriend would rather ask Eric Norhman then you when she suspects you are hiding something. Yeah, she already knows he is untrustworthy.

mich February 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm

Elise. I just read all those posts and yours was the shortest and best written. Sookie DID beg and beg Eric to tell her what Bill was hiding, so he told her. simple as that. and Bill deserved it after trying to have Eric buried in cement, fight for your women like a man instead of having him buried, how bout just fight for her? tell her what you did and own up to it maybe? Eric wouldn’t have had to even tell sookie if he wouldv’e just told her himself right? really…. it’s not rocket science!

Melody February 7, 2011 at 7:13 pm

IF I see in the next season that Bill actually did procur the Rattrays to beat up Sookie, then I will agree, she needed to be told. But as of right now, I think you all give Eric way too much credit for telling her…you make it an honorable thing to do. I don’t think so…not one bit. Why did he tell her now? Why when he almost got cemented? He was PISSED. He didn’t do it for Sookie or for any honor, he did it for Eric. When she said is this true, and he said yes, I have yet to see that he meant the Rattrays, the part about QSA was true. Big deal. So, if I fall in love with someone and they love me and it goes on for say, 10 years, and he has been nothing but good to me, do I care that someone bet him he couldn’t get me? Do I care about how the meeting came about? No, I love him. LOVE HIM. I also stand by my thoughts that Sookie is wishy washy and perhaps she doesn’t deserve Bill….I’m not that way…. I care that he loves me NOW….he didn’t know me then…so what?
You all can have Eric…to me he’s not honorable, he didn’t come to Sookie’s rescue from Bill’s untrusting self, he was only concerned about Eric. If he knew Bill was planning some great demise for Sookie, okay, tell her….this was just Eric being Eric..and wanting it all…at any cost….somewhat narcissistic actually. But, I’m so outnumbered….I’m in the middle of an Eric lovefest…next season might have some more answers for me…I hope so…I’m not going to just go on what others “think” Eric is “thinking”…..I’d rather just go with what I see happening…and I see Bill loving her, regardless of how it all began.

jaxx February 7, 2011 at 7:20 pm

Melody, no one said Bill procured the Rattrays to beat up Sookie, the Rattrays went to beat up Sookie on their own b/c she saved Bill from being drained and cost them money. The point in dispute is that Bill watched the whole thing and did nothing about it until Sookie was near death.

mich February 7, 2011 at 7:46 pm

i agree with you whole heartedly mel, the only point I was trying to make is the reasons WHY eric told her, not that he was being honorable!! I NEVER said his intentions were heart felt by any means, i’m jjust saying i would’ve done the same thing eric did out of malice. I do believe he also loves sookie, in an ERIC type of way. And I do believe bill loves her with his WHOLE heart, body and soul. but i DONOT believe sookie loves Bill, at least not with her whole heart or she wouldv;e forgivin him under ANY circumstance. I dont believe sookie deserves Bill, i believe sookie and eric are perfect for eachother because they are both self obsorbed, both believe they, as well as their feelings, are above anyone elses, and they both believe their shit doesn’t stink. Please stop thinking everyone is ganging up on you and Bill, it makes me feel guilty for liking eric over bill, it’s just opinions. And if ALL these people are seeing the same thing and only a very small handful are seeing bill differently, ya ever think there’s a reason? God, that sounded harsh and i’m sorry please dont be mad… it just reminds me of my mother that always bitches about how every one is an ass hole at work, and everyone gets along with each other and she’s the outsider, so i asked her, ” ya ever think it’s YOU and not THEM?” That’s what i’m saying about BIll… Everyone see’s something the same and a small few view it differently. it’s not wrong, just different. I feel bad when everyone gangs up on Bill, cause i DO agree that he did that stuff BEFORE he loved her… If it was me, as Bill, I would NOT have told sookie either! SO i believe bill did what any other human would have. Eric told for self satisfying reasons, he had motive and it worked. Ultimatley, all’s fair in love and war? Sorry honey please dont be mad at me, you know how sensitive i am You’re still one of my fav’s Bill or not! I love reading your posts you make me see Bill the way you do everytime. I can still justify what eric did for ERIC reasons. and quite frankly, sookie doesn’t deserve someone as good as Bill has become. He needs someone more like Arlene that needs security and catering too. He’s a nurturer, Sookie needs to be babied like a spoiled brat and put in her place, Bill can not play that roll…

Anonymous April 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm

I know the show doesn’t exactly follow the books but that is what happened in the books. The queen had Bill seduce Sookie. I think in the show as well as the books, Eric does things for Eric. Bill was in his way to getting Sookie and that’s the reason he told her. The truth was a means to an end.

Elise February 4, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Isis, that story I was talking about before, “Late”, the fiction about Eric and Sookie, is un-be-li-ev-ab-le! I hate to blaspheme, but in its own way its actually better and more historically accurate then the Sookie Stackhouse books! I actually think that the “Late” writer is a better writer then Charliene Harris! In the beginning, it was a little awkward, and she got too descriptive, but the story is just so much cool, you can’t imagine. Apparently she intended for it to be kind of like a soap opera about Eric and Sookie, not a novel, so she makes chapter postings, and so far she uploaded 78 chapters.

I’m on the last chapter, and the story is so involved. There is magic, there are all these interesting rules and laws, and in the midst she talks about witches, but not as the original novels did, she doesn’t just brush over it, she explains things. When you read it, you can tell that she is probably a practicing Wicca person herself because she gives all this intricate information about the history of the world, how it was matriarchal in the beginning, but how christianity brought patriarchy into the world and killed all religions that worshipped women, and how it taught people to be ashamed of their bodies and of their desires, to blame women for fall from grace, to be afraid of sin, which is actually quiet true, although I’d probably would have referenced the Hebrew in lieu of Christian history, as it is also heavily patriarchal… There is an interesting plot were Eric had a connection with an ancient goddess Freya and a relationship with her, and how she reentered his life through Sookie, and it creates this incredible twist to both of them. I mean, this is not the kind of text where the writer would accidentally call Zeus a Roman God, like Mrs. Harris did.

This is if you don’t mind elements of S&M relationship with very intense conversations of choice and why people enjoy that type of this, which I don’t mind at all. Its kind of funny to see this story go EXACTLY where I would send it to if I wrote it. I’m serious, I am enjoying this story more then the books, which is pretty scary…

Melody February 4, 2011 at 11:24 am

Fellow Fantasy Fangbangers! I am having withdrawal symptoms…..I swear. I can only read and reread and watch and rewatch seasons 1 and 2 for so long and HBO isn’t showing season 3 in our area any more.
What’s the date for season 4? Geez…..And I know I’m late on this one, but I think Vin Diesal is a great cast for Quinn. I LOVE him. That voice, that bod, yep, I could dig it.

mich February 4, 2011 at 1:36 pm

Melody, season 4 is June 21st!! not soon enough! when i google “who is going to be Quinn on true blood” Vin deisel popped up, so that’s why i thought it was him…. Isis says it’s not though, so I got all excited for nothing lol. This is taking forever!! They actually have WALL size pic’s of the cast of true blood for over the bed on ebay lol…. life size! and it’s a HUGE sticker, i’m way out of hand

~ Caitlin February 4, 2011 at 2:16 pm

I think it starts June 12th not the 21st. At least that is what is said in an article on this site.

CH had Vin in mind when she created the character of Quinn. However, I don’t know if they would be able to get him for the show since he usually does films. You never know. Some people mentioned that guy who played Roses fiance in Titanic (Billie Zane). I think he would be a good pick.

mich February 4, 2011 at 2:20 pm

caitlin, I went on the google again and the HBO site had posted they just signed on for the 21st, of course nothing i ever seem to know or find is right so it must be the 12th, sorry Melody. Just got that in a different spot.

mich February 4, 2011 at 2:25 pm

and agian, it was 2010, not 2011…. so sorry melody i DONT know the date, was too quick to look. Caitlin foound it to be on this site so the 12th is a good day for me :0)

Antonio February 4, 2011 at 3:03 pm

I dont know Who would make a good Quinn. VD would be good but i dont think hed want to do this. He does Mostly action films. Maybe if they got a former porn star or bodybuilder?
Maybe Lou Ferrigno? He’s used to doing Tv! The Rock (Dwayne Johnson) would be cool! I think they did a great job casting Alcide Herveaux last year! maybe Channing Tatum?

mich February 4, 2011 at 3:32 pm

Antonio, THE ROCK?? REALLY? HELLLLL YEAHHHHH !!!

Melody February 4, 2011 at 8:19 pm

The Rock would be cool, but I can’t see him playing a really intense role after “The Tooth Fairy”….he’s been playing such comic roles.
I hope not Billy Zane, he’s a little long in the tooth, dont you think? Same with the Hulk….we need a young, big, dark, hunk…I don’t remember seeing the actor who is playing Alcide in anything else before, so maybe they will go with another newbie. I think VD would be smart to go for it, it’s such a popular show now, it could only help his career.
Mich, it’s okay, don’t be sorry! I could have looked it up myself, lol…too lazy I guess.

Anonymous April 10, 2011 at 6:01 pm

I really think vin disel would be great as Quinn. Since they are doing the pit fighting, maybe they could do a small cameo for Vin Disel. He fits the description well and he has a great voice. However, he should be saved for season 5. Season 4 should be all about Soukie and Eric. And to answer the question, they have mixed books 3 and 4 for season 3, so I’m sure they’ll probably mix book 4 with future books. But we’ll see. Book 4 was good in and of itself.

Kim Perez April 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm

seeing as how the queen doesnt get married to the king granted to a different king but none the less bill and her are fighting to the death now i dont see her getting married again soon and the whole hadley thing doest even come out til book 6 and they just had a whole season about it in #3 i would say they are def. mixing things up. she doesnt even find out she is a fairy until eh 8th book. and i hope VD does play Quinn since the character was based on him and for good reasons. he fits the part perfectly everythign Quinn says in the book i could hear him saying and acting.

Elise February 4, 2011 at 8:34 pm

Doesn’t Quinn come out in Book 5? Isn’t Book 4 about the relationship between Sookie and Eric and the witches and so Quinn can’t be in S4 because she is with Eric the whole time? Unless you think they’ll mix several books into one season. Do you think that’s a possibility?

jaxx February 4, 2011 at 10:01 pm

Elise, yes book 4 is all about Eric and Sookie, but Hunter wasn’t introduced in the books until the 9th book and Hadley didn’t show up until book 5 or 6 either, only a mention beforehand, so it’s quite possible Quinn could make an appearance at the end of S4, although they should have enough material with the witches involved for S4. Don’t want to overcrowd S4 but who knows???

giannis tselas June 18, 2011 at 4:21 am

melody havent u heard anything about torrents?

Elise February 4, 2011 at 3:28 am

Ok, how can you stake someone accidentally? And why would you submerge yourself between two vampires with a stake? Sookie doesn’t want either one of them dead, or she wouldn’t have saved Bill from Russell or Eric from sunlight, so why would she take the effort to go find a stake?

mich February 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm

I dont think i was aloud to put an email on here for the True Blood Iron on’s, so just loook in ebay under transfers true blood or stickers, the lady that is the cheapest and best is castralian.

mich February 3, 2011 at 4:53 pm

OMG DONT BUY A HOODIE>> go to ebay and type in true blood transfers and true blood stickers, i have a seller on there that sells iron on’s for like $3 !!!!! buy a $7 hoodie and do it your self! i have em on my jeans and sweat pants too!! and even my purse

Sheila February 3, 2011 at 5:31 pm

I have been trying to open a shop on Ebay, and I go on there for everything under the sun, I don’t know why I didn’t consider that first. Cause I am a true junkie. Thanks.

mich February 3, 2011 at 1:40 pm

Hey Sheila, Yeah I know Erics not going anywhere, i was just commenting on the other post about him being staked. Like Caitlin said, Eric IS true blood in a sense and the fan base would drop so i’m not worried about it at all. Remember, i work nights w no sleep all week and no coffee with my first post so it tends to be a little over dramatic lol. If Eric DOES become king, i dont know if that’d be good or bad (IMO) considering he’s love of power. I need to start reading more in between school work so i can catch up w all you guys are talking about i’d have a better understanding of why some say and comment on what they do… i’m such an outsider here not knowing as much as everyone else. although i DO NOT own a piece of clothing without the true blood logo on it, including my scarf and a pair of undies and my whole back window of my minivan is covered in True Blood stickers and decals lol.

Sheila February 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm

My birthday is actually SuperBowl Sunday this year, I am buying byself a True Blood Hoodie I think as a present. At least I am glad to know I am not the only one with a True Blood Addiction!

mich February 3, 2011 at 7:45 am

First of all, if eric get’s staked, i’m gone lol, second bill would def. be put to death, thirdly, Eric IS true blood at this boint and at most points in the books..(as far as i’ve read anyways) without eric, i hate to say it, i’m no sure i’d stick around. as far as Sookie being ALONE?? YEAH RIGHT!!! she needs all the man and drama she can find, she CANT be alone, as independant as she SEEMS to be, she NEEDS to be needed or she feels like nothing but a freak. She’s a spoiled brat that gets everyone she wants and yes, i’m stomping my foot like a 3 yr old turning green all over!!! SOOOO mad that she has all these amazing men grabbing at her ankles, and she just kicks em away till she needs em again. Sam is too “normal” and drama free for sookie… they’ll be friends forever. he’s awsome but too good boy for her. Bill already bores her, more like a dad then a lover, and ERIC??? well hmmmmm, the visual i get after book 4 yum yum. anyhoo sorry, as for quinn and all the others you guys are talking about (And thankks soooo much for givn me a heads up with the spoilers, i seem to be the only one that hasn’t gotten thru them all, you guys rock) I dont know, all i know is what i feel, see, and no in my heart and that is sookie with Eric, although i’d fight her for him lol. get my ass kicked, but i’d try like hell. Did i mention yummmmmm??? sorry about the spelling, gotta get me coffee and i’ll be back and more apt to use SCheck. high five Elise for that post lol…. and invisioning sook not ending up with a vamp? after having V, that will never happen, she will be with a Vamp in the end, willing to put money on it, ok, not money but a milky way or something.

Sheila February 3, 2011 at 10:42 am

Hey Mich, calm down. First, It’s kinda already a given, Eric isn’t gonna leave just yet, the fans love hime too much, IMO second, He is a viking and a vamp that means trouble is kinda in his blood and if there is a way to avoid it, he might, but the viking in him says bring on the battle and the glory. But that being said, Do you remember last season, how Nan Flanigan and the AVL gave Eric the unofficial authority to take out Russel (Quietly) and they would act like everything was on the under, and would deny anything if someone brought it to their attention? (For Eric’s family, or whatever reason, but Russel was a pain in the %%% and they seemed to want him out of the way at this point. Well, I tend to think that if Eric doesn’t do something about that fairly soon he will have bigger problems than his feelings for Sookie, and he won’t have the chance to explore them. So calm down, we’re due to see some action in that department I think, before the possible demise of Eric Northman, besides I think the ratings would drop drastically without him there to continue his banter with the Sookie/Bill/Eric/Alcide deal. JMHO

Antonio February 3, 2011 at 9:11 pm

I agree. At Some point,However,There will be a Showdown between Eric and Bill! At Some point,They Will fight over Sookie! Especially Now that the Gloves are off! Im Sure Eric WONT forget that Bill tried to destroy him! There can Only be 1 Alpha Male in a pack! Alcide’s struggle with his pack and the Were Politics were something he knew ..too well,perhaps?

I feel a Showdown or Big Fight is Inevitable bewteen Eric and Bill for Sookie! They BOTH want her…for Different reasons!

Wouldnt it be Something if they were fighting over her and she got involved and accidentally staked 1 of them??
That would be 1 Way to resolve the conflict!

jaxx February 3, 2011 at 9:51 pm

There will be a showdown between Eric and Bill no doubt. They each had wronged the other and they both want Sookie. That’s why the amnesia plotline will work this season. While I loved that Eric had amnesia in the books and DTTW was Eric’s and Sookie’s book, I think it would be more intersting in TB to have Sookie has amnesia. She will be on equal footing with everyone until she remembers again. JIMO, I think Sookie will come back from faeland with her memories wiped clean because she is so distraught and heartbroken. She said she was so hurt and lost and I think Claudine may help her forget for a while.

Wouldn’t it be wild if Gran was there or she would be able to see Gran again in faeland???

One question that just keeps bugging me, how and why was Bill able to go to faeland??? He’s a vamp and should not have been allowed there?? He was dressed in “Godric” white too?? What is the connection?? Is Bill some type of vamp/fae mixture himself??

Antonio February 4, 2011 at 2:22 pm

I dont know if this makes Any sense to you,But, I think it had to do with Bill ingesting SO Much of Sookie’s Fae blood. Claudine spoke of Bill stealing her “light” Maybe That was 1 of the ways? Could it be that Sookie’s blood could “cure” him of being a Vampire?? When Sookie received So Much of Bill’s blood the effect on her was being able to fight off Debbie and V fueled “grudge sex” with Bill! I hope That helps.

Antonio February 4, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Regarding a Showdown between Bill and Eric? I suppose That is Inevitable at This point. I feel bad for Bill. Eric seems like the type who always lands on his feet! Were He to lose Sookie hed feel bad..somewhat but hed dismiss her as just another “foolish human”. Anyway,Hes got his Own issues to work out,Maybe Pam could help him with that? Bill,on the other hand,Was Really in Love with Sookie! Eric deliberately hurt Bill when he told Sookie the truth about Bill! Eric said he was “sorry for her pain,but he felt she HAD to know??”

IF he was SO Concerned about THIS matter,Why didnt he tell her earlier?? He Didnt tell her for Her..I believe he told her to attack back against Bill! This All reminds me of the actions of 2 grade school boys fighting on the playground! I keep hearing “HE Started It!” Oy! Eric..Bill Enough,ok??
I’ll go get a ruler..We’ll settle this!!
LMAO 🙂

Elise February 4, 2011 at 3:48 pm

I don’t think Eric will dismiss her and forget her, he is so proud, and smug. He is the stronger, smarter, older vampire. Its like an Olympic race, and he is the top contender. Top contenders don’t walk away with “I didn’t want it anyway.” His pride wouldn’t take it, that “he, so handsome, so smart, so powerful, so good in bed (“you seem surprised; is Bill’s stamina not up to snuff?) could possibly NOT get that human, that delicious volatile, immature, overly emotional about that bug called Bill in my area that I could squash if forcing him to jump through hoops wasn’t so amusing, strawberry blond human?!” – I just making fun here. I love Eric, but we all know he thinks that God broke the mold on him and all his body parts when he made him. He couldn’t walk away, it would eat him forever. Bill is great against the backdrop of Sam Merlott, but in a fight between Bill and Eric, Eric is the Alpha male. Not every woman wants that, I know. But we do respond to it. 🙂

He doesn’t even doubt he will one day, he acts like “oh, well, I guess not today. Probably in a few days, tomorrow. I got time 🙂 ” You know what I’m thinking? This is a crazy X-rated idea, but maybe the reason Bill got so desperately jealous and Eric got more and more confident that he’ll be with her, is because they have such a heightened sense of smell. Maybe Eric SMELLED how she felt about him, and so did Bill? I mean, picture this, Bill and Sookie are together alone, then Eric walks in, and her heart rate rises and her… smell permeates the room and becomes… inviting. Its not like Bill would tell her, or Eric.

jaxx February 4, 2011 at 6:16 pm

Antonio, I agree that Eric did try to hurt Bill by telling Sookie the truth, but I truly believe Eric thought enough was enough and thought Sookie should know. Did he have selfish reasons as well??? Probably, but Eric did give Bill numerous opportunities to tell Sookie the truth. He even said so when they were having a discussion and Sookie interrupted. Eric told Bill (not verbatim) “Why don’t you tell Sookie the F’n truth?” So, he did give him opportunities to fess up, Bill just didn’t. Besides I think that’s also pay back for dumping him in cement and trying to seal him in. LOL. Paybacks a beotch!!!

jaxx February 4, 2011 at 6:20 pm

Ohhh Elise, good observation about the smelling thing. I guess I never thought about that. Bill can feel Sookie too so she can’t hide her attraction to Eric from Bill, even if she thinks she hiding it from herself or him. LOL. And, yes, God did break the mold when he made Eric. LMAO. Only joking people!!! 😉

~ Caitlin February 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm

Hi everyone,

No suprise that I agree with you jaxx. Eric gave Bill an ample amount of time to tell Sookie the truth. Bill would not admit it. Sookie even asked Bill on several occasions what else he was keeping from her.

Antonio I think Eric was very close to telling Sookie about Bill when she came to Fangtasia but Pam interrupted them. Sookie did ask Eric to tell her the truth so he was answering a question asked of him. It would not have been wise of Eric to tell Sookie the truth at that time because she would have reacted badly ( and reasonably so). In part, Eric did want to stick it to Bil( again he was justified in doing so) but he really did think Sookie deserved to know the truth. After the attempted murder by Bill, Eric knew Bill would go to extremes to keep his secret. Honestly, I do not think Eric wanted to even be the one to tell Sookie the truth. That is why Eric tried to get Bill to do it. Eric had to have known he would recieve backlash for it. “Don’t kill the messenger”. Yes, Sookie basically told Eric where he could go… It was a lose lose situation for Eric. Eventually, the secret would have come out. If Sookie found out that Eric knew about it and did not tell her, she would have been even more enraged. Eric is not on Sookies list of favorite people at the moment.

I think AB mentioned that Gran would be coming back to the show in some form. As to when, I do not know. Probably, faeland.

Jaxx, I do not think Bill was in faeland. I think he was at the portal. He was in the cemetery. Remember, Sookie disappeared from the cemetery in the last episode. Bill was still in it.

You can never count out the under dog. Eric could go into a fight with Bill and be over confident so that could be a disadvantage for Eric. I still think he would beat Bill though becasue as Godric said Eric was one of the best warrior and he is 1,000 years old. You never know though, it only takes one loss of focus or distraction. I’m sure Eric will be on his guard around Bill know. There is the sayin “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”. Eric is even more ticked of now that he knows Bill sent a hit out on Pam too. Eric is all about loyalty.

Really good point about the sense of smell Elise. Even Bill could not deny that Sookie had feelings for Eric. I think Erics confidence will be shaken when it comes to Sookie. We all know he likes to be in control of things. He cannot control his feeling for Sookie.

Melody February 7, 2011 at 3:17 pm

With all due respect, why do all the Eric lovers think it was Eric’s duty to tell Sookie about what Bill did in the very BEGINNING???? When you stop and think about it, really, did it matter? In the big scheme of things, he had an ulterior motive for getting to know her, it didn’t hurt her, who cares what his reasons were? The mere fact that he met her because the queen told him to means nothing. IF he had her hurt by the Ratrays, that’s entirely different….but that is only what ERIC says and as far as I’m concerned, he can’t be trusted. It’s not a fact from the books, so we may find out next season that Eric made it up.
BUT, my biggest point is this…..who died and left Eric boss??? lol….really…..WHY did Sookie have to know what Bill’s motives were in the beginning??? Did it hurt her?? Was it an insult?? He certainly showed time after time after time that his intentions were good once he got to know her…..so what? Because QSA told him to go into Merlotte’s and get to know her, or because he walked in on his own, what does it matter to Sookie or anyone else. He didn’t sleep with her because of QSA, he found out before that that she was a telepath, anthing after that revelation was entirely for the betterment of their relationship. Bill loves Sookie…not for QSA, not for anything other than he loves Sookie, and he is willing to die the real death for her.
Eric on the other hand felt pissed, so he told Sookie and he told her because he wanted to make her hate Bill and love him ( or at least have sex with him, or whatever, he wants to own her). He didn’t tell Sookie because he was protecting Sookie from Bill. Eveything that happened after he found out what QSA wanted to know was on his own.
So, Eric told Sookie the truth to piss her off and make her not trust Bill. That’s all. That’s it. He’s not great gentleman, he’s not saving her from Russell or Franklin or some monster….HE, ERIC, wants her. Plain and simple…and he couldn’t fight fair…..he had to throw in his big secret from the past…..”Bill only met you cuz Sophie Anne told him to!!”…..”na na na na na……” like you guys said, on a playground……”I’ll be your best friend……if you like me, he did this, ….I didn’t……he tried to cement me……”…..lol…….Eric lovers give him some great pat on the back for that….why? He wasn’t saving her from anything, for heaven’s sake……you can’t make up what you think he was thinking….Eric takes what he wants and throws away what he doesn’t want….so he was loyal to Pam and Godrich….how does that make him a hero? I just have to laugh how it gets spun around…..he told her cuz he wants Bill out of the picture and he wants her. That’s it. That’s what it looks like in the books and that’s what it looks like in the series. IMHO…..lol…..

Elise February 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm

Melody, first of all, why is it so hard to believe that Eric may actually have a moral code and wanted her to know ? It is consistent with his character. Eric doesn’t lie to women very often. I understand that he has a tendency to be crude, violent, brutal, but he makes a point not to lie. Yes, he lied and manipulated the whole sucking of the bullets thing, but that was a lie for a whole of 5 minutes, and he was not her boyfriend. Bill lied to her while sleeping with her and telling her he loved her. He tells Sookie from the beginning how he wants her, how he wants to use her skill, and not just Sookie, but other women as well. When hiring Yvetta he promises her a good job and good sex; crude, yes, but he delivers. When she gets mad at him for not putting her in his will, he calls her a gold-digging whore. Crude, mean, but honest. She is. Has he lied to a single woman he had “relations” with? If Eric was a liar, Sookie wouldn’t have spent two seasons hating him. He would play into her affections, behave properly, and treated her in a way that would have predisposed him towards her. The fact that she hated him means that he did not give her a false impression of himself.

Why was it his business? Because its the right thing to do. Because they’ve bonded (as friends.) Because he feels that to lie to her is disrespectful, and by not telling her he is just as bad as Bill. Why was it a big deal? I know that if I were to find out, I would be royally pissed off as well. Because a relationship under false pretenses is a false relationship. Oh, yeah, and it was a huge insult, to lie to her, to see her every day and tell her that he loved her and then not tell her. I’d be insulted.

Second of all, QSA didn’t just tell him to get to know her, she told him to procure her – that’s a little different. Procuring sounds like “do anything you have to in order that you can manipulate this woman to come to me.” I just can’t believe that a man actually tells a woman the truth about a guy that she almost died over and people are mad at him! So, you are saying that its ok if Sookie never finds out?

No, Eric is not a gentleman. He is, however, honorable. Gentleman sounds like good manners to me. Honorable sounds like someone who behaves in a way a gentleman is supposed to act.

Another thing that makes me wonder though, he told her in the beginning of the series that Bill is not who she thinks he is. One lie doesn’t explain it. What else are we going to find out about our friend Mr. Compton? I bet you there is a can of worms here that doesn’t end with this one lie.

jaxx February 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm

Melody, I have to agree with Elise and Caitlin.

Bill was sent by the queen to procure Sookie. Bill wanted to secure Sookie’s trust. While I don’t think Bill set the Rattrays up to beat Sookie to near death, Bill stood by, watched and then intervened when Sookie was paralzyed and near death. He knew if he gave her his blood, she would heal and then trust him. That’s just despicable.

Eric is Sheriff of Area 5, so I guess he is Bill’s boss.

Eric did not lie when he told Sookie the truth about the Rattrays. We saw it in a flashback.

Sookie to Bill: “Oh my God, is it true?”
Bill of Sookie: “Yes” (with a very guilty nod of the head)

As far as your comment: “Does it really matter?” Yes, I think it does.

At this point, Eric had enough respect for Sookie to tell her the truth so she wouldn’t be made a fool of by Bill any longer. Eric told Bill “Why don’t you tell her the f’ckn truth?” and made other references to Bill telling Sookie the truth. Bill had numerous opportunities to come clean to Sookie, but chose not to. That’s not Eric’s fault. Bill tried to cement Eric to keep him quiet about it.

If I found out after falling in love with someone and sleeping with someone that they had been lying to me the whole time and nearly got me killed to win my trust and love, I would have done the same thing Sookie did. I would not have an ounce of respect for her myself if she didn’t throw them both out as she did.

In the beginning Sookie was only a “job” for Bill. But once he started developing feelings for her, he should have come clean about everything with her. He claims he was “protecting her”. Well, his “protection methods” leave a lot to be desired.

Whether he loves her or not, to me, is irrelevant considering their whole relationship was based on lies from the beginning. You just can’t say “Oh well, he loves me” and forget about it.

Did Eric want Sookie? Sure he did. Did he flirt with her? Absolutely. Did her test her and her love for Bill? No doubt. This happens in everyday life. When Sookie said no, Eric respected her for it. And, that kiss was a 2 way street. Sookie kissed him back proving she has repressed feelings for Eric.

IMO, Eric was saving Sookie’s honor by telling her the truth.

~ Caitlin February 3, 2011 at 12:10 pm

Hi Mich,

Eric is such a big part of the story that he will not be going anywhere any time soon. Plus there would be a lot of backlash from fans if Eric were to get killed of soon in the TV series. As far as the end of the TV series goes who knows what will happen. In the end, none of the characters are safe. It is possible that Eric could die. I think he might become king by the end of the show. Right now, I do not think Eric really desire that title.

As far as the books go, I remember reading something where CH said that Eric and Sookie will not die at the end of the series. That is reasuring if anything I think Eric could become king.

Antonio February 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm

I was just speculating is all. IF sookie were to have a “normal” life …ie Husband,Children,In-Laws. She would Have to Leave not Only LA but the Continent,I think. According to the so-called Great Revelation, Vampires are free to live and congregate Anywhere in the world? I mentioned China because Sookie would be Away from QSA. Away from her selfishness and her desire to utilize her for her abilities. Sookie went to Dallas in Season 2 Godric was the Sheriff,There. I wonder if Sookie promised fealty or Loyalty to Godric and the Dallas contingent,Then QSA would No longer have an active hold over her.

For example, As of Last season Eric despises QSA..Cant blame him!
If she were to align herself with Eric Then Sophie Ann would have to back off! She could always say “I Belong to Eric Northman!” I doubt that QSA could force Eric to turn her over to her given that Eric Cant stand her!
I just thought of something…IF Sookie became the property of Eric,Then Bill wouldnt be able to use her or date her Anymore!
“Back Off,Compton! Shes Mine!” Wow! Think of That!
Then she could have BOTH QSA AND Bill Compton OUT of Her Life!
However, We she to give herself to Eric..Just to spite Bill, She would become Eric’s personal property…His Slave. He could Use her “gifts” Anytime he wanted,and She would have to Give Him Anything he wanted ..even sex or blood! So That wouldnt be in her best interest either!
I think that Both The Queen and Eric would utilize Sookie for her “abilities” and want to aquire her!
Bill,on the Other hand would Not use Sookie for his own political gain.

I suppose,at This point,It would be very difficult for Sookie to have a “normal” life. She is part Supe herself now and many other supes are aware of this.

jaxx February 4, 2011 at 6:24 pm

Antonio, in the beginning, yes, I think Eric would have and did use Sookie for his own personal gain but at the end of S3 and in next season, I think we’re going to see a different Eric, one who really cares about Sookie. It already started even before Russell wanted Eric to bite Sookie first and he gulped several times and really didn’t want to hurt her. I truly believe Eric was sorry when he told Sookie he was. I really don’t think he wants to hurt her. He even said he never would have given her to Russell and I believe him. I think they both felt someone for each other after that kissing scene. 2 seasons ago, he would have given her to anyone. Not any more.

Elise February 4, 2011 at 6:30 pm

I think he was feeling something for her before the kiss too, jaxx. 🙂

Sheila February 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm

Hey Antonio, just a thought about your speculation. Interesting to say the least except that swearing fealty and loyalty? That’s a Vamp thing, I don’t see that applying to Sookie, but more than that, Sookie already promised Eric she would help whenever he asked with her gifts so what would be the point of that? But as to a normal life, I have said it before, I think that Sookie has become an adreniline junkie, and is too involved in the rush of her new life now to be able to just walk away. But I do see the drama with Bill and QSA driving Sookie to Eric.

Antonio February 3, 2011 at 1:57 am

What if Bill staked Eric, Helped to Fake Sookie’s “death” and then send her off to China Or Pakistan? She would be out of QSA’s Jurisdiction and Ultimately out of her reach! If her death were “faked” then QSA would Never know!
Isis Maybe right though, There may very well be a Vampire hierarchy even in China! She would be away from QSA But Im sure that a Chinese Vampire(s) would seek to aquire her!

Elise February 3, 2011 at 2:32 am

Wow, Sookie won’t be too happy about Eric getting staked, and neither would I… Plus, didn’t they say that some countries, especially those in the Middle East, were not accepting vampires and were staking/killing them? Which could help her to survive in the Middle East, except, honestly guys, I’d rather be a slave to QSA for the rest of my life then live in Saudi Arabia for a month. Seriously, covered head to toe, not allowed to vote, not allowed to drive, not allowed to walk the street without a male relative – QSA is a vacation compared to that! And you can’t just go into China, its a communist country! They will need lots of info as to whey/where/who are you. Although, this conversation is probably moot because she will probably not have the chance to leave Louisiana.

Antonio February 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm

AB and the writers have refered to S4 as season of the witch.
No Doubt,Season 4 will be interesting and exciting to watch.
However, In book 4, The witches were,at best, A subplot. Eric figured in mostly. He had amnesia,was cutoff from his buissness and the “life” he thought he knew,his involvement and steamy relationship with Sookie.Not to mention Her growing attraction for Alcide. Their was a witch war and it will be interesting to see just how AB will write this out. There was So much going on in book 4! I hope we do not get another Season 2 thing…Where too much of the story was written for Maryann and Not enough written for Godric,Sookie and her growing attraction for Eric
Nor for Bill and Sookie either…or Lorena.
Season Should be Season of Eric + Sookie OR Alcide + Sookie!
These were More prominent storylines in the book!
I look forward to see what will happen in S4.
1 other thing, Claudine,Claude and the Fae are different in the book then in the show,too!

mich February 2, 2011 at 4:31 pm

Misunderstanding is the story of my life! Dah, obviously he wouldn’t do it, sorry i didnt’ read right. never claimed to be smart, just cute:0) can that be my pass for the day? 2nd night no sleep and been studying all day so an integer and Vin diesel are 2 in the same at this point sorry guys.

mich February 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm

So i was REALLY right???? It’s gonna be vin diesel? OMG talk about head exploding?!!! I dont know if i’d WANT to be sookie with her choices… Bill, Eric, Quinn, Alcide, Sam, omg, i cant stand it!! I cant believe i even stumbled on Vin diesel, what are the chances? Good idea to google the name lol….. Once my husband finds out, it’s hard enough for him to deal with my obsession w Eric, wait till hears this!! Let’s hope it holds true

Isis Nocturne February 2, 2011 at 3:56 pm

Quinn hasn’t been cast yet, Mich. 🙂

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 4:27 pm

mich, I think you misunderstood what I said. Some of the fans want Vin Diesel, that doesn’t mean TB will actually get Vin Diesel to play Quinn. I imagine he’d want too much $$. They’ll probably cast a lesser known actor, but you never know.

mich February 2, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Jaxx.. I kid you not!! i googled “Quinn from true blood” and go see what comes up. they show the charector to play quinn and it’s vin diesel lol…. i am almost 40 and do remember mr clean, i wish i didnt lol. wierd that vin showed up. tell me what you think

Sheila February 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm

Vin Diesel? True Blood? How could this possibly get any hotter of a show? OMG, if that were to really happen, That would be awesome. I am not sure what is hotter on that man, the voice or the bod. Thank Goodness, my honey knows without a doubt I love him.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Yep. That’s pretty much who CH invisioned when she made up Quinn. I think I also remember he was olive skinned as well. What a major score it would be if they could get Vin Diesel to actually play Quinn. OMG, there is so much eye candy in this series that my head’s going to explode. LOL. 😉

Sheila February 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Can I say WOW? That would seriously be beyond cool. Talk about bedtime stories to go to sleep by,,, So many awesome choices. What is a girl to do? Poor Sookie ( I think both Bill and Eric would have to start stressin)

mich February 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Ok, I googled Quinn and they are showing me Vin diesel… so non of you know that Vin diesel is like the hottest actor in america or i am looking at the wrong thing!!! If it is HIM, how could anyone leave this out??? your killin me!!!!

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm

LOL, mich, no, I’m sorry, I meant for you to goggle “Mr. Clean”. He is a character on a cleaning products bottle. The cartoon image reminds me of what I picture Quinn to look like. Quinn is described as a tall, built, handsome, bald young guy with violet eyes. For some reason, Mr. Clean’s image popped in my head. I’m a little older than you so you might not remember the TV ads. Some have suggested Vin Diesel to play Quinn’s character in TB. That’s probably why he came up when you goggled Quinn. Quinn is his last name. If I remember correctly, his first name is John. Try “Mr. Clean” and let me know what you think.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 1:22 pm

This is just the impression that I got, but I felt that Quinn was her rebound guy. She was a bit sick of the whole Eric/Bill thing, she was getting over both of them, she was hurting over Bill, she was hurting over her loss of Eric, she was missing him but was resolved not to be with him even though she felt his pull, she was lonely and horny and ready to date someone she would consider uncomplicated (Eric is definitely complicated.) She liked Quinn, she was attracted to him, she enjoyed him, but she seemed to have more intimacy with Eric, even before the bond. Even when they were fighting, it was sexy, it was like he was chasing her and she was playing hard to get, subconsciously. Honestly, she had way too much hostility for Eric to not care, I think she was repressing.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Elise, I agree. Quinn is a really nice guy who fell for Sookie hook, line and sinker. He, unfortunately, was a rebound guy. You hit the nail on the head. He had family issues and Sookie HAS to be the center of attention and she wasn’t about to share Quinn with anyone, not even family. He was sweet to her and good for her and nearly got killed for her (who hasn’t), but she treated him unfairly and badly b/c she was pinning for the kinder, gentler, loving “amnesia Eric”. Even when Quinn reappeared several books later, Sookie treated him badly. While he’s not my favorite, I did have a pain of sympathy for him and his situation. I think he is scheduled to reappear in either DR or one of the next books before the series ends.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm

You know what really bothered me about her and Quinn? They never saw each other, even before Rhodes. It was a long distance relationship, she spent more time waiting for him to come into town then be with him. Then he disappeared after Rhodes and the first time she sees him he is as one of the people who’ve come to kill her and her friends.

I think the whole family was just an excuse, I think she felt betrayed over that, even though he had little choice as his mother was involved. She probably knew she had no right to feel betrayed over that, but I remember her hinting at his betrayal later on in the books. I can understand her not opening that can of worms with him: “You betrayed me” “It was my mother” “I still feel betrayed, you led them to kill me and people closest to me” “I had no choice” – this was an easier conversation to have.

Honestly, if Eric had the same situation as Quinn with his family, would she have reacted like that? She complained in Dead in the Family how Eric is always busy, how he is always working, how his position leaves her alone waiting for him all the time, but she stays. The thing is, I think if in Dead in the Family someone was holding Pam hostage and asked him to go and kill Sookie, I doubt he would. He’d manipulate the situation by using her maybe, but he’d never allow anyone to hurt her. Its kind of what Quinn did though.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Elise, you are right as usual. I haven’t read that book in a long time and forgot about the all of that until you just refreshed my memory. I remember Sookie was waiting to hear from Quinn for a long time, hoping and praying he was ok after Rhodes and never heard from him. So, yes on a couple of different levels, she felt betrayed by him and then did not welcome him warmly back. Quinn and Sookie had their moment, but he is not the one for her, imo, but he will be back for more.

I wonder when we’ll meet Quinn in TB. Too much going on with the witches and wars this season but you never know, they could introduce Quinn at the end of S4. I’d so love to see who they cast for him. Let’s have all the love interests out on the table and may the best supe win!!!!!

Antonio February 2, 2011 at 6:46 pm

I think that Quinn is 1 of the Coolest “Supes” in the book series!
The books are filled with All kinds of supes..that’s true.
Quinn is a Weretiger! He shifts into this massive,hulking tiger!
At first, He seems like a bully and some1 you might not want to tangle with. Then he shows a genuine interest in Sookie..Which I might add, Was NOT based on Her ability as a Telepath OR he sweet Fae Blood! Bill and Eric Used her to suit Their needs!
As I am given to understand the role of John Quinn has Not Yet been cast for True Blood. Vin Diesel, I think is an action Movie actor. He’d probably want a boatload of $$ to do this role!
Anyway, I think Quinn is an Awesome character!

Sookie has Quite a dilemma here. Either she remains in HER world of humans and long work shifts and hearing peoples thoughts..Not to mention Many thought she was Weird or Strange. ( She’d probably never fit in there,anyway)
OR
She remains in the Supe world of Vampires,Werewolves,Shapeshifters and continues to place her life in danger,Knowing that she is an outsider and may Not be welcome. Here’s 1 solution…..Apparently, QSA wants Sookie,She wants to utilize her for her unique abilities.
IF Bill Really cared for her, He would send her away…Many miles so that the Queen would Never get her hands on Her!

Isis Nocturne February 2, 2011 at 7:00 pm

Antonio, Bill can’t send Sookie away. There’s no distance she can go where some supe in power or other can’t find her. And we’ve only seen QSA in limited doses. We have no idea of how many allies she may have out of the USA. Theoretically, someone else close to QSA could find Sookie if she went elsewhere and would use her powers for themselves or hand her over to another vamp in charge. It seems like Sookie’s in a lose-lose situation regardless of where she is now that vampires and other supes know about her abilities.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 6:52 pm

Antonio, I don’t think Sookie can ever just go back. She is a supe hybrid herself now. She will have to figure out how to “fit in” so to speak with the rest of the supes and what part she will play in the supe world. She is in it now for the long haul. And, yes, it will be interesting to see how AB plays out S4. It should be Eric/Sookie/Alcide in the triangle this season. I guess we will have to wait and see if AB has Eric or Sookie with amnesia. Should be Eric but he likes to fool us. I liked the witch war myself. AB has a lot to cover this year.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 9:00 pm

I agree with Isis and Jaxx. If Bill helps her outright without managing the situation from a political point, he will get himself killed for disobeying the queen, and Sookie will still be found anyway. Both Eric and Bill drank from her, they could be persuaded, perhaps through torture, to located her through the blood. She could negotiate with QSA herself. I think there is a danger in appearing weak to QSA, she may be able to speak to her and negotiate lucrative terms that will also grant her some sort of protection, but in the end, she will lose. Its not as if QSA is this cheerful happy polite lady, she is a vampire queen which means she is very dangerous, ruthless, and inhuman. I gather fielty is big with vampires, and eventually QSA will want that from Sookie. But short-term, she will probably do best by negotiating terms with the most powerful party.

lizzie1701 February 2, 2011 at 10:38 pm

Jaxx, at one of those little interviews by Steve and Anna at a event late last year, Stephen said, in response to how he felt about the new triangle with Sookie, Alcide and Eric, said it would be more like a “Quadrangle”. So, Bill is not discounted yet!

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 11:10 pm

Hi Lizzie, then this year should be really interesting. 4 men vying for her attention at once. What a year this will be. LOL.

mich February 2, 2011 at 9:43 am

Hi Loleaf, This isn’t going with the books… although sometimes, and some scenes I WISH, we cant go by that at all!! AB will not follow the book so know one will no we can only assume

Elise February 2, 2011 at 10:04 am

I so hope you are right, but I just don’t see him changing the ending from the writer’s intent. She could raise hell over that, and the argument could be that it kills the intent of the story itself. I notice that he may have changed many plot points, and even introduced new story lines, but the main course that the main characters themselves are following is still the same. In the end of S3, just like in the end of book 3, Bill and Sookie break up, she throws BOTH of them out. Maybe pressure from the fans will make him change it? Then again, she broke up with Bill and so many fans loved him. You know, it could be Hoyt. He is a very nice guy and I read that Jessica and Hoyt will break up in the next season, which is actually pretty sad because they were so sweet together. I loved how he followed her to Texas in S2.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 11:20 am

It will be sad when Jessica and Hoyt break up. In the books, Hoyt ends up with Holly, but I don’t see that happening here since Holly is about twice his age now. AB must have something else in store for Hoyt, unless Jessica turns Hoyt.

To me, S1 followed book 1 almost verbatim. S2 followed the core story but very much deviated from LDID. Too much Maryanne, but we’ve covered that already. S3 did a good job of following Club Dead and did end basically the same way, Sookie rescinding both vamp’s invitations. So, I’m guessing S4 will for the most part follow DTTW, although who has amnesia has been a hot topic of discussion. Some think Sookie, some think Eric. Eric is the one in DTTW. Either way, I think it will be interesting. I think Sookie having amnesia would have more of an impact on the storyline since she is involved with every character in TB but Eric’s story would be a good one to explore too and we would get to know Eric in a different way. It depends on how AB interprets DTTW. IDK, it will be interesting to see how this season plays out.

lizzie1701 February 2, 2011 at 10:47 pm

Yes, Elise, AB does kind of follow the books and S3 ended with Sookie throwing out both Bill and Eric, but in the book, Sookie closes the door and laughs but in the TV series, it is much more serious. There is a difference.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Yep, Lizzie, I agree. I don’t think Sookie will end up with either vamp. It’ll probably be Sam, someone else or no one at all. I guess we’ll have to just wait 3 more books to find out. 😉

Elise February 3, 2011 at 12:22 am

Anyone think that Sookie will end up alone, a strong powerful independent woman, who will leave Bon Temps and make her own life as she sees fit, without the need to be with anyone? I am pretty sure a psychologist will have a field day with her and every man that is after her, starting with Bill and ending with Sam. Lol.

Elise February 3, 2011 at 12:13 am

She may laugh in the end of book 3, but in the beginning of book 4 she doesn’t want to have anything to do with either of them, not until Eric stumbles in front of her naked in the dark. I realize its different, but it will still allow him to continue with the basic plot of book 4, so we end up full circle back in the books.

mich February 2, 2011 at 9:17 am

Hey Jaxx. i agree wayyy tooo early for this but hey, i live tb so here it goes, she has to try and read his thought tho too (sam) being a sup. I dont know who quinn is i haven’t gotten that far but i’m curious he’s brought up so much so back to the books. id he sup? as in shifter or what? whats he loook like? i need a mental view. I still think she will end up with eric. i feel it in my bones (as well as other places lol) sorry, totally inappropriate lolol. The wait is killing me, i cant wait to start the discussions with each episode!! I’m starting to dream of things,,,, not that i’m somplaining, but ultimatley lol, guess who eric ends up with lol. enough of this, i need my coffee to spell and sound rational. mornin to all

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 10:49 am

Mich, Quinn, to me, would look like Mr. Clean. Google the name if it doesn’t ring a bell. Keep reading, he appears at the end of book 5.

Antonio February 2, 2011 at 3:00 am

By The Way, It would be Really Cool if we could see Alcide Shift into his Wolf form This year! Alcide was written as more of a Rogue wolf or Renegade. He was the “good’ wolf in the pack of so-called “bad” ones. Cooter’s pack was bad..Alcide wanted Nothing to do with them. Hopefully,in S4,We will get to see him with his “good” pack? We will learn More about him,also. In the books,Alcide was also troubled about What he was.
Weres and Vamps Hate each other! It would be Quite Interesting to see Alcide Face-Off against Bill OR Eric!

Question? Cooter and His wolves were high on V! They were pumped up on it! Yet,Bill managed to pick them off like Nothing?
In Many stories,Werewolves are As strong Sometimes Even Stronger than Vampires…ie Van Helsing,Underworld!
It just Doesnt make sense to me!!
How is it that Bill is strong enough to take out a pack of weres like a hyena on a wildebeast??
Weres,too are quite strong! It would have been interesting to see Cooter beat the snot out of Bill for a bit and then have Bill come back at him! Funny, How V-Fueled Weres come to Sookies home and yet ONLY Russell is a threat to Bill and Jessica?
Why were Coot and his pack made to look so weak??
Shouldnt the V have made them Stronger??

By the way, Why didnt Jessica seem to care that Bill took her human life and her family? Simply Put Bill is Not Evil …Lorena IS…THAT is WHY Bill hated her!

mich January 31, 2011 at 7:03 pm

Yeah, we stick to the show on this site ( I made the same mistake as a newbe on here, not sure how much longer i’m a “newbe, can i graduate soon guys?? PLLEEASE?), if we didn’t then it would be soooo overwhelming. the books CANT explain anything considering the show is NOTHING like the books. I DO love the books, however, this is a totally different perspective. Glad to have ya aboard tho we love new input and debates, just need to stick to the show. Book debate is not in the same land as Alan Ball land (thank god or we wouldn’t have lafeyett!!

mich January 31, 2011 at 3:32 pm

god Melody!!! thanks for the foreplay!!!

mich January 31, 2011 at 1:41 pm

So much to think about after reading Elise, Antonio and Melody… 3 SOOOO different replies yet all so inflicking. First off all of you bite your tongues (and i mean very hard) if sookie ends up with Sam I cant deal with that. Sam’s cool and all, but …. BOOOORRRRING!!! no way! Secondly, we need to keep in mind, comparing a “man” and personal experiances dont apply here. noone’s human and it is incomparable. Why Bill did not love his maker as did Eric and Pam do is a VERY good question, one i never thought to ask!! Turning even as a newbe, Bill would not have the knowledge of “hating” lorena for turning him, just like Bill turned Jessica… why doesn’t she hate Bill for taking HER family from her even tho at first she was happy about it, in the end she wanted to go home and Bill had to glamor her family to forget she was there!!? So that makes NOOO sence at all and your right, AB needs to go further into that cause it now irritates me. Secondly, or thirdly, wherever i’m at,, Why is it (as Melody pointed out” that Sook can just go off on anyone she wants and everyone is so passive about it? Bill or Eric has a melt down, or a HUMAN moment, and she holds a 2 week grudge? really? There is no way she can be with bill, Sook just needs someone that can stand up to her. (LMFAO SAM?? REALLY??) I think Eric is coming out of himself, and HE HIMSELF is just learning who he is, and sookie is bringing that out in him. Just like her, He does not like being told what to do and he needs a companion, not someone that NEEDS him, he needs to control, yet his desire to BE controlled turns him on. And sookie does that for him. She can tell him to GFYS and that is HIS forplay. I am very jealous that she even HAS the choice, it aggrivates me i guess in a sense because Bill is willing to lose everything, including himself, for her and she pretty much spits on his grave, and then Eric that is there when she blinks…. I dont nessissarily agree that her taking erics blood is the first attraction. I remember when they first walked into Fangtasia and she could not take her eyes off him, and it wasn’t because he was sitting there in the middle of the bar, there was an inmastakable attraction from that point. maybe not physical,, but SOMETHING. look at her face, she was intrigued from the minute she saw him, no blood. The blood brought the sextual desire and contection, but the origanal was the minute she met eyes with him that night and asked bill who he was. Pam was STANDING, more visable then eric sitting…. why didn’t she ask who pam was??? There’s where the attraction started. IMO

Elise January 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm

OMG, if she ends up with Sam I’m seriously thinking of boycotting the show… LOL. After all of this?! It just kind of sounds like what Harris is trying to say, which I’m trying to ignore because I can’t stand it… Lol.

Antonio February 2, 2011 at 2:41 am

Sam always had her back…Was Always loyal,friendly,kind,reliable,smart and trustworthy.Everyone should have a friend like him! Sam cares for her and would do anything to help her,protect her and make her happy! In the books,Sam was more concerned about her welfare then in the show.
Watching Sookie “break-up” with Bill was difficult(I suspected it Would be). Honestly, I think Sookie should give it a rest with the Vamps for a while! Alcide? Well,There is potential there,too with him. There are ONLY 2 guys that are Not drawn to her..either for her sweet Fae blood Or her Abilities as a Telepath…and they are Sam and Quinn!
Both Bill AND Eric are Vampires..No Way around That fact!
They Both have used her,Bill for her blood and Eric for her abilities! Alcide,Although a nice,solid,Hard-Working guy, Has Quite a Temper! He can be a Hothead! And Man,Can he hold a grudge!
I think I would be glad for Sooks If she Chose Sam or Even Quinn!
Think about it! Sam loves her for HER! Quinn Loves Her for HER!

Sheila February 2, 2011 at 3:00 am

Hey Antonio, I do agree with you. I admit I am team Eric at the moment, but honestly, I do think that being with Alcide or even Quinn would be a nice chage of pace for Sookie, and give her the chance to have a guy around that may actually like her for her, and not what she can do. But, I do see one potential problem with that….. Our dear Sookie has in my opinion become an adreneline junkie and always ends up in the middle of the mess. IMO, Bill tried to keep her all to his self, while Eric, however twisted this was, let her have a life of sorts if you look at it. Yes, they did both use her, but I think secretly she likes her position because she gets away from reading all the thoughts at work, and gets to get out of her little box for a minute if that makes any sense. But I do think a change would do her good for a second, but I think she’s gonna be drawn back to Eric when it’s all said and done. JMHO>

Antonio February 2, 2011 at 3:34 am

I think Youre right! The thing is…it just doesnt make much sense! At SOME point the subject of her “conversion” will come up if she continues to hang around the Vampire sect! If she Chooses to be with Either Bill OR Eric then she may have to deal with the idea of being turned! If Bill did it then He would be Her maker…If Eric,Then He would Be her maker!
Alcide would never attack her or try to make Her what he is!
Nor would Quinn OR Sam!
At THIS point Sookie should start wearing bulbs of Garlic around her neck~~~just to keep them Vamps away from her!
OR she could start wearing raw silver around her neck
“If ANY of You Supes come near Me,You’ll get a face full of silver!” There Problem solved! Would silver affect Sam?

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 8:45 am

Hi Antonio and Sheila 🙂 While I am all about Eric, I, too, just can’t see Sookie ending up wither Eric or Bill at the very end unless she is turned. That topic is also going to come up in the next book as well. There is only so long she can be with a vamp without being turned. While I like Alcide and he is very prominent even in the last book too, they are like ships passing in the night. They have a mutual attraction for each other but something always gets in their way (in the books). Book Alcide also turns into what he feared the most. I didn’t like Alcide very much in the last book. Who knows what will happen on TB with Alcide and Sookie though and if AB goes that route, I will be happy to see where their relationship goes, if Debbie doesn’t interfere. I’m not a big Quinn fan, but he does love her and has enough love for both of them, but Sookie treats him very badly, so I just don’t see that one happening unless something changes. Sam just seems like the logical end result. He was there for her before any vamp showed up and loved her for her without ever knowing about the “fae” thing and knew about his telepathy and accepted her and loved her for it. Only drawback is she can read his thoughts and she has to go to extreme lengths to block Sam out, which is exhausting to her. I think she is attracted to theh vamps for that exact reason. She can relax her guard. It will be interesting to see what does happen in the end, both books and TV series. My bet is Sam, but you just never know. 🙂

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 8:48 am

Oops, I meant “her” telepathy. Too early in the morning for me. LOL

Loleaf February 2, 2011 at 9:29 am

Hi guys!! I agree that even though we want her to end up with the vamp of our dreams. (Whether it be Bill or Eric) I don’t see it happening either… With Charlaine saying Sookie won’t become a vamp, or have vamp children(god forbid lol), she did say that Sookie would end up with a character from the earlier books in an interview one time. Now I can’t remember at what book she was on when she said that statement. Sam was in all so far where Alcide came in with the third, and Quinn in the fifth with a brief cameo. I do believe that Sookie will end up with someone who she can have children with, (even though they may be fuzzy telepaths lol.. hey that’s an idea for Charlaine’s new book series!!!) I myself fell in love with Quinn when I first read about him (even though I also love Eric & Sookies times together). Even though he ****spoiler**** was a bad-ass fighter I felt that he and Sookie were cut from the same cloth. Both protective of their families and would do anything for them, yet lost and looking for someone that they could love and would love them for who they are not what they can do. Sookie had a protector that wasn’t interested in using her telepathy in any way, and was completely honest with her in every way. I even loved when he called her “Babe”, to me it was a term of endearment, like Eric calling her “Lover”. Can’t wait to see where we go from here in both the show and the book format. Oh btw I don’t believe that Claudine is completely gone…I think that she will be back in a different form. Possibly an angel!!! But these are just my opinions.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 9:56 am

Damn, I loved “Dead in the Family…” I loved everything about it – how she fitted so well with them, how she was treated by both Eric and Pam, who she was when she was with them… I just know it, she will probably say that she doesn’t like it as much as I do and she wants a human life, which is probably the reason for the writer saying that she will not become a vampire and that she will live a natural human lifespan. I understand the whole “nothing is better then being human, we need to appreciate our human existence as the best of all possible worlds” point but really, how prosaic! And not an entirely original statement, as its been restated ad nauseam by a volume of period literature, anywhere from Victor Hugo to Mark Twain. If its so great to be human, why do humans have a suicide rate? Or enjoy fiction? Or fantasize being vampires (or werewolves, etc.)?

Sorry, this is me being frustrated because I can see the writing on the wall, so to speak… Lol, this is like therapy, so thank you for listening… Yup, Sam is great. Nice guys can be fun too. Normalcy. Bon Temps. Small town. Normal lifespan. Picket fences. Waitressing. Nothing beats that. Yup… 🙁

There is still a small flicker of hope in my mind that Eric will turn human, but I know its a pipe dream. You know, there is one type of supe she never dated, a fairy! That could be cool. Of course, they make paper out of skin, so I’m not sure that they are better then the vampires. 🙂

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 10:57 am

Loleaf, you know, I was so upset with what happened to Claudine at the time. Then I started to think about it too and I believe you may be right. We haven’t touched on angels yet and Claudine was striving to be an angel. What better way to achieve that then protect Sookie the way she did (I don’t want to spoil for others who haven’t read). Plus, she may have an “added helper” with her this time.

Quinn does love her and would do anything for her, he just wasn’t my cup of tea.

Wow, 5 males vying for her affection. I guess it pays to be fae. LOL.

Elise, I totally agree. I want Sookie and Eric to end up together, that is my pick, but I still think it will be Sam. Just seems that’s where CH is going with this, BUT…I’ve been fooled before and AB likes to put twists on everything.

Eric turning human….possibly. Maybe Niall or the fae or a witches spell could turn Eric human for Sookie, interesting theory. Yeah, I don’t think Sookie with a fairy would work. After I read the whole “skin paper” thing, it gave me the creeps. LOL.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 11:19 am

Lol, you guys, it takes a lot to shock and surprise me, I mean, my boyfriend and I watch horror movies and we were both laughing at the Human Centipede, but when I read that, I had to re-read the passage. The best part was Claude’s reaction. I was on the floor! “What else is he suppose to write on? Its been processed…” Like what’s the big deal? It was like a practical joke by the writer.

Its also kind of interesting how the last book ends. I’d like to be inside Eric’s mind when he wakes up in the evening and finds two male fairies sleeping with Sookie in one bed. I hope they live. That book was like a Twilight Zone. I don’t know how anyone could have a normal life after what she’s become.

I love Claude. I’d rather she ends up with Claude then Sam. At least Claude has a sense of humor, or rather inspires it. They can make beautiful paper together!

~ Caitlin February 2, 2011 at 8:11 pm

Hi everyone,

******Spoilers*****

Jaxx I agree with you about Alcide and Sookie being “ships passing in the night”. They did have potential but it never seemed to work out for them. Yes, they could have been good together. We both agree and had this convo before about Alcide in Dead in the Family. I do hope they reedem him though.

Honestly, I think that ship has sailed with Quinn. Elise is right Quinn was the rebound guy. Although, Sookie was fond of Quinn she never loved him. Yes, I do agree again Elise that Sookie was making some excuses when she broke up with Quinn. I think the real reason was because she was still hooked on Eric. I was never a big Quinn fan. He was a nice guy and I felt bad for him but he was not right for Sookie. She could never come first with him. She was harsh to him though. The situation was not his fault. His mother and sister are crazy. Sookie had enough stress of her own to deal with. I think there are more cons than pros to being with Quinn. His mother is a loose cannon. After all he is indebted to the vampires so that does not exactly help Sookies cause. He would not be able to protect her. Sookie even admitted that Quinn was a mistake.

It is possible she could end up with Sam. I have mentioned before that I think that would be too predictable though. I see them as more of friends. I think Sam deserves better than to be treated as what 5th best in Sookies line of suitors.

One of the reasons I really like Trey was because he was not interested in Sookie.

Elise, I still think it is possible that Sookie could end up with Eric. The books series only takes place over a two year time span at most. She could end up with him at the end. They will not be together forever but they could be together for a while. She does love Eric. Even when the bond is broken I think she will still love him. The bonds not all that bad. It has had some benefits. They cannot really lie to each other because they can sense it through the bond. Who knows maybe she could live a little longer with the fae blood.

CH mentioned that Sookie will not have some fairy tale ending with the white picket fence. Even if she does not end up with a vamp she is still a telepath and immersed in the supe world. Most likely, she will always be in some danger. I really do not see her having children. She can hardly get through a day or week without getting fatally wounded. She almost needs a vamp around to give her blood to save her life. Even if Eric and Sookie end up together it will not be some fairy tale life. I think it would be interesting if they did stay together. I am pretty sure CH mentioned that Sookie and Eric will not die by the end of the series so that is a plus.

Maybe it would be better if they break up sooner than later because it will only get more difficult.

*******SPOILER FROM BOOK Mich I do not want to spoiler something from one of the later books************

Remember they are married (even if Sookie does not aknowledge it) so it is not as easy as just breaking up and calling it quits. It seemed relatively simple to get into the marriage. I do not know the logistics of vampire marriges. I am pretty sure that it will not be as simple to get out of a vampire marriage. I could be wrong tough. As far as a vamp/human marriage who knows? Sookie is really close to Pam too.

Who knows maybe Sookie will end up with Bill at the end of the books, I doubt it but you never know? I do think that Bill has reemdemd himself as far as the books go. That does not mean I want them to be together because I like Eric.

P.S. Sorry to talk about the books I know we are not supposed to but sometimes it seeps into the discussions.

Elise February 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm

Caitlin, from your mouth to the writer’s ears. I am a huge Eric fan, if you’re read any of my previous posts. I have been frustrating Bill’s fans to no end, I’m sure. 🙂 Since Bill did get a fairytale ending in “Dead in the Family” I don’t see how she can end up with him – he is finally happy without her. All fairy jokes aside, I hope she will end up with Eric, that is my fairy tale. I know that the vampire marriage can be easily dealt with, after all, according to their law they only have to see each other – I forgot – once every six months? So it doesn’t sound like an obstacle for her to overcome if she wants to leave him. God, this is depressing to think about… I suppose Sam is to me the worst option, so I am going to accept that it can happen, that way I can’t possibly be more disappointed. I think I’d prefer to have Eric die to them breaking up, probably because it would upset me if I would actually see Sookie make the decision to leave him.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 9:38 pm

Yes Caitlin, I agree. I think Sookie will love Eric even w/o the bond in place. We just need it to be broken to allow this revelation to happen for Sookie. He is still the one I’m rooting for in the end.

***SPOILERS****

I, myself, don’t think Sookie will have children of her own. I think she will end up raising Hunter as her own.

The only way I can see Eric/Sookie getting a vamp divorce is if the new queen who we will meet in the next book, wants to marry Eric for territory reasons. I don’t know if a vamp can have a “human” wife and a “vamp” wife. Don’t forget, a LOT of emphasis was made on territories from Eric to Sookie and Eric stressed the importance of what he was saying even though our good old Sookums was bored with what he was saying. I think this is going to figure into DR somehow.

~ Caitlin February 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm

Hi jaxx and Elise,

*****SPOILER*******

Jaxx you made a really good point now I’m doubting everything again. Yes, it is possible the queen will want to marry Eric. I hope that does not happen I would hate that so much. Elise you made a good point about the vamp marrige. I really do not remember what the guideline are for one. Also, how does a vamp/human marriage work. The ceremony used was one for vampires. Would their marriage even be legal in the vampire world? The marriage is beneficial and detrimental to Sookie and Eric. Jaxx I do remember reading that Sookies abilities will not matter to the new queen. I wonder why? I still choose to hold out hope for those two. Elise, I do not want Eric to die though if Sookie leaves him. Maybe he will leave her. He still has Pam to think about.

I also thought that Sookie would help raise Hunter and in the back of my mind I wondered if her and Remy would end up together. Remy was a little creep out by her though. That is still a possibility. I like Remy but I do not want Sookie and him together. That scenerio would be kind of the white picket fence. I go back and forth on the issue. Sometimes I do think she will and up with Eric. Maybe that is just wishful thinking. CH has invested so much time in building their relationship though. I do not believe Sookie will just stop loving him just like that. Jaxx we both agreed before that they will break up even if only for a little while. I will not be surprised. Maybe CH will put some more of the chapter up online.

This is random but I wonder if they will have minisodes for this season of TB like they did last year?

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 11:30 am

Elise, I agree. 🙂 I will have to reread DITF again. I thought it was a bizarre book but it was definitely one you needed to pay great attention to. Eric was trying to tell Sookie about territories for a reason. I’ll have to go back and reread this one before DR comes out in May.

I think I read there was a casting call for Claude this year. I’m so glad we get to meet him. Wonder if we’ll meet Niall as well and the others. Maybe AB will save that for next season since this is the Season of the Witch.

Isis Nocturne February 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm

Jaxx, you’re right. 🙂 There was a casting call for Claude, and he has been cast. (I’m just miffed that an actor I thought perfect for the role wasn’t able to audition, because I think he would have been a much better fit for Claude than the guy they cast.)

~ Caitlin February 2, 2011 at 10:40 pm

Hi Isis,

I was a fan of Lost and I think the guy who has been cast as Claude did a good job. He was only in a few scenes though. I do not know how he will do as Claude but I am optimistic. I guess we will have to wait and see. I’m excited about Fiona Shaw playing Marnie. They do a wonderful job with casting on this show.

lizzie1701 February 2, 2011 at 10:54 pm

Yes, Caitlin, CH has vested a lot into the Sookie/Eric relationship, but she also did that to Bill and Sookie’s relationship, and look what happened there! Just saying, you never, never know what the writer will do.

Sheila February 2, 2011 at 11:32 am

Hello my fellow Trubie’s it is way too early in the morning, and I should have coffee hooked up to an I.V. drip, but here goes. Although I like Sam, he truly is a sweet guy, I don’t see it. The Eric and Bill plan would be a problem because they would always try to best each other and always and forever leave the potential that they want her for the wrong reasons. In the back of her mind, that would always be a thought. However, I don’t think age would really be an issue because her Fae blood keeps her young longer I believe. But unless Alcide steps up his A game, Quinn may be the man of the hour, we all know the show doesn’t follow the books, she would still have her adreniline fix a guy she can hang around in the daylight with, have some sort of a normal family life if you can call it that, and they would love her for her, not her blood. All things important to her. We will see what AB has in mind. Either way, it’s all good. I have said it before, I will say it again. May the best Supe win. Whomever that shall be, Eric, Bill, Alcide, Quinn, Sam, ?????Or who knows yet.

jaxx February 2, 2011 at 11:08 pm

Caitlin, I hope we get minisodes. That made the wait a little less stressful. LOL.

**SPOILERS**

I wonder if the new queen will have Barry the Bellboy as her telepath and not need Sookie’s abilities. Barry had to go somewhere after Rhodes. CH likes to recycle her characters and bring them in every couple of books.

I wondered about Sookie and Remy as well. He’s human though, as far as we know for now. Anything’s a possibility.

~ Caitlin February 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm

Hi jaxx and lizzie,

******SPOILER******

Lizzie you do make a good point that CH broke Bill/Sookie up so it could happen with Eric/Sookie and I do think they will break up at some point (maybe for good but maybe not). Anything is possible. Like I said maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part. If Eric does become king I don’t know if a relationship with Sookie could work. I think the king and queens underlings do more of the work though.

Jaxx I didn’t think of Barry. We haven’t heard about him in a while. That is very possible that the queen could use him. Maybe she found another telepath besides Barry. I’m sure there has to be more telepaths out there. What if this new queen has some abilities? Couldn’t QSA communitcate mentally with the vamps she made?

I really do like Remy. He is the least complicated of the men. Also, he is human but can deal with the telepathy because of Hunter. He does like Sookie but she scares him a bit. However, like I said that scenerio would work out to nicely. Sookie can’t really have a normal life. She is past the point of going back and never was normal. Honestly, I don’t think Remy could deal with all that drama. Hunter would be in to much danger with Sookie. IDK. We’ll have to see when the book comes out.

jaxx February 3, 2011 at 6:13 pm

Lizzie, with at least 3 books to go, I’m guessing CH will break up Eric and Sookie before this series is over. That’s why I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch. Sookie could end up with anyone or be alone. Only CH knows the ending to this series.

mich January 31, 2011 at 10:02 am

Hey Antionio, You brought tears to my eyes reminding me of those parts of the series, when they were in the back of the van and bill almost drank her to death, I never held that against Bill tho, it’s IS in his nature and he could not help himself, Bill or Eric, either of them would of done that in the situation they were in. And him at her bedside in the hospital I was on the edge of my seat rocking and crying w my hand over my mouth , my heart truly ached for him, i love bill, i do, I do not chastise him for any of his actions, that would be hypocritical of me loving eric considering his…. short comings lol. I am a die hard Eric fan, which makes me a hypocrite i guess sticking up for bill and that is probably why noone ever replies to my posts. I can not , in good faith, take to one or the other. in real life, put me in a room with bill or Eric, and i’m all over eric, however bill has had it soooo damn hard how anyone can not feel SOMETHING for him….. yeah he f’d up a couple times, we all do, he’s more then tried to redeem himself, i just dont think him and sook are good together with the thought of sookie being so stubborn and hard headed, bill is just not tough enough for her, she needs someone that will stand up to her, she needs eric to complete her, Bill is too “good”, or as good as a vamp can be, for her. Most girls always go for the bad boys, the good guys always finish last…. anyways thanks for the reminders i think i will start watching again, it’s hard because i get so emotional.

Elise January 31, 2011 at 11:02 am

Mich, lol, I thought I was replying to you! You write very well, please don’t be self-conscious. You know, I tend to over-think and intellectualize things, but, honestly, I love what you just wrote and I completely agree with you! Lorena should have never turned Bill, she’s created a self-hating vampire, and Sookie and Eric are just more suited for each other. As I’m sure you can see from my posts, I prefer Eric for probably the same reason he is suited for Sookie. I understand there are lots of sweet and kind women who need a Bill in their lives, but I can’t be with men like that. This object has been set in motion by a powerful force, and will not stop until acted upon by an equal or greater force, you know? 🙂

Also, I don’t think that Sookie was attracted to Bill because he was her opposite, I thought she was attracted to him because he was the only one who gave her silence in her head? As opposed to constant chatter of thoughts?

Eric is just soooo smug. It makes me want to teach him a lesson. But I think Sookie is already doing that. 🙂 The most frustrating part of this entire story is that it seems inevitable that she will end up with Sam, which is so depressing. I suppose, to each his own.

Melody January 31, 2011 at 11:28 am

Good grief, if she ends up with Sam, I will be sorely disappointed.

Antonio and Mich, you put such depth into your posts, and you make me think. Elise, I think the one problem I have with your analysis is that you compare Sookie to you and Eric to men have known. The thing is, Sookie is not completely human ( I am assuming your are 😉 ) and Eric is a vampire. They cannot, by nature, think the way you do. Eric and Bill and any other vampire for that matter have been re-created without any real sense of compassion for others, any other sense of right or wrong, or if they do possess it, they don’t give it alot of concern. Vampires are all about vampires. Their wants, needs, desires come first always. It’s up to each one to decide how much of the human nature do they want to dredge up and unnaturally deal with inside themselves. Do they prefer to tell the truth to humans? Do they want to deal with emotions other than sex, feeding, existing.? It’s their choice I guess. Sookie is part Fae, so she doesn’t think entirely human either….who the heck knows what that makes her mind and heart capable of feeling….and to what extent? I don’t know if she can be called a tough chick, to me, she’s all mouth until she gets into real jams….but again, she is different in the books than she is in the series, and I get the two boggled together. I think she wants someone to love her, someone to be her equal, not treat her like a baby. I get that. But, also, she has always had high standards (via Gran) and unless AB changes Eric into something else, she just may decide to go “bad boy” because of her blood attraction to Eric now. And if I recall, she totally dist Eric and had no attraction to him at all until he tricked her into drinking his blood….Antonio, you are the fact man, is that right? Although none of that happened in the books, so again, I’m “duh”…..? In the books, when she was “with” Bill, she was with Bill…..no thoughts of Eric.
I think there is a very thin line between strenght and stupidity. You have to know when to take risks and when to open your mouth and when to back off and shut the mouth. Sookie is under the impression, by her own experience) that she can just yell at anyone, (Tara, Jason, Bill,Eric, Alcide,Quinn, Arlene, Sam…..) and they will all just overlook it and continue on with her when she cools down. Works for her I guess, but is it because she is also part Fae and EVERYONE is enamored by her? All supes?
I don’t know.
What I’ve found to be so ironic is that Eric LOVED Godrich, Pam LOVES Eric, and so on and so on, but Bill hated Lorena…..why? How did he continue to have any shred of humanity inside of himself? I think maybe they should delve deeper into why that is…..he is self-loathing…..he wanted Lorena dead….was Bill not entirely human himself before he was turned? Or is it simply that he himself, in comparison to the others, is somewhat still a baby vamp? Has not figured it out yet?
Just wondering out loud..

Elise January 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm

Oh, gosh, Melody, I hope you are wrong! I hope I haven’t compared myself to Sookie (because I am almost a complete opposite of her!) but I do believe that any creature, whatever species, will act in its own self-interest. At its basic level, every creature cherishes its existence. I understand that I’m searching for behavioral explanations here and I am only human, but isn’t that the basic scientific method? After all, human beings have studied other species in similar fashion. I may not know exactly what goes through their heads, but I can find a pattern to their decision making by observing their behavior. I suppose its not in the vampire’s self-interest to care about human beings. I imagine its pretty difficult to invest in a creature so fragile with such short life span, who is also a food source. I don’t think the quality of telling people whatever she feels like saying is a quality restricted to supernatural beings however – humans are guilty of that too. Yes, there is a line between strength and stupidity, but due to her age and inexperience in life and relationships, she may become more speculative in her responses. At least, she has in the books. Again, while she does have supernatural blood, that is also a quality that often appears in all of us. I am only saying that her behavior to me seems very human, despite her lineage.

As to Eric, I don’t think we know him at all, vampire or not. I’m only making guesses as to who he is based on his very contradictory actions (even Sookie admits that he has behaved both atrociously and repentantly and she is herself confused). I can only infer that as he was taking revenge for the deaths of his human Viking family, revenge that he swore to prior to being turned, that honor, valor, and loyalty were upheld by that society. They were according to historical accounts. Perhaps those are the qualities he carried with him into his next un-life? Perhaps its his attempt to hold on to his humanity? Just making intelligent (I hope) guesses.

Again, I can only assume, that, based on both Viking and early Southern US history, Eric is more likely to treat her as an equal because the Viking women had more rights in society at the time then women did in the south in 1900’s. We see evidence of this in how each man speaks to her, but perhaps there other things at play here we don’t know about. Perhaps its just a mask, and both have no feelings whatsoever? As you said, we just don’t know. However, we can look at the pattern of behavior and see a correlation.

I admit, I may compare Bill to a conglomerate of multitude of men in the world, who have been flawed but who loved. God, I am sick of them… I could publish 10 volumes of apologies from men, and so can every one of my girlfriends, but we all have learned that everyone has a pattern of behavior, and this rarely changes. Maybe its different for vampires? Maybe he will never keep anything from her again? Maybe he will change the person he has been for the past 170 years because of her? I don’t think its likely, but I am not an optimist and I don’t know about vampire nature. In this case, I am basing my judgement on personal experience. However, vampire or not, the alternative doesn’t seem likely to me, as behavior almost never changes, in any species. Maybe she will chose to accept his inadequacies? That I can’t answer.

Maybe Bill’s hatred of Lorena and Pam’s love for Eric shows that again, vampires are not bound by a compulsory behavior but have some choice in their attachment to their maker ? (which is not what happens in the novels) Could it be proof of normalcy, not something extraordinary? Or perhaps a testament to who Godrick, Eric, and Lorena are as people and vampires? However, I don’t think that having shreds of humanity is solely Bill’s privilege. I think that Eric’s quest for revenge is a part of his human nature as a Viking, and I think the way he is falling apart through season 3 shows that as well.

Isis Nocturne January 31, 2011 at 2:00 pm

About the vampires who love their makers, I think I can help with that, Melody. 🙂

As we saw in the show, Godric turned Eric when he was sick and dying. Eric’s only “alive” because of Godric. We don’t know the hows or whys of Eric turning Pam, but I’m going to guess that the story will be similar to how it was in Charlaine’s books. If that’s the case, then Eric will probably be getting Pam out of a horrible situation in her human life when he turns her. I guess the easiest way to boil down this argument is that Eric and Pam are both turned willingly. That wasn’t the case for Bill. He was a soldier who only wanted to go home to his wife, and Lorena didn’t give him a choice when she turned him. Lorena liked him and wanted to keep him. Bill has no say in anything that went on with his being turned. That’s why he hates Lorena. He hates himself for doing the same to Jessica, because he realized she was stuck in the same situation he’d been stuck in. She had no choice in being turned either, and all she wanted to do was go home to her human life. Unfortunately, both Bill and Jessica cannot go home anymore. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.

Isis Nocturne January 31, 2011 at 1:50 pm

Elise, having just watched the very first episode of True Blood again, I think I can say that Sookie noticed Bill even before she noticed the silence in her head. He comes in to Merlotte’s, Nathan Barr’s dark and sensual music gets louder, and Sookie and Bill’s eyes meet. They have their moment before Sookie whirls around to Sam and Tara and tells them “I think Merlotte’s just got it’s first vampire.” So, the way I see it, there’s an immediate attraction, which is compounded later that night when Sookie realizes that she can’t hear Bill’s thoughts.

Melody January 31, 2011 at 2:41 pm

Isis, there ya go, ya hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly why Bill hated Lorena. He wasn’t dying, he wanted to go home and she turned him. I should have remembered that..good for you! And yes, wasn’t Pam turned when she was raped and beaten? I think….something like that.
I would have been attracted to Bill that night in Merlotte’s also. Yum…when he was sitting in that booth, looking all bad and moody….yum, yum, yum…and the music! I love it….it’s haunting.
To me, IMHO, Sookie’s first glimpse of Bill was alot more sexy than her first glimpse of Eric in his chair that night at Fangtasia. He just looked like a boss (TO ME) and he looked bored and waiting for a challenge of some sort. Bill looked like he was ready to rock somebody’s socks off with a goooooood old fashioned romp ….yum. (slurp….sorry 😉 )

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