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lani may August 29, 2009 at 4:04 am

OMG! Shane….YOU are really into the show!!! Cool…You go on,with your bad self…Quite interesting…

Betz August 28, 2009 at 11:06 pm

just re-read your post, and realised i didnt comment on the top bit “Why would bill go outside for a snack with the Rattrays if he was on a mission,” my answer: have you ever thought that might of been part of the mission to test Sookie’s gift, obviously the Rattrays part wouldn’t of been pre-meditated but you could see the bemused look on Bill’s face as Sookies reading there mind maybe he realised what was going on and thought he would could use it as a test.

Betz August 28, 2009 at 10:57 pm

Exactly what i think that could be a set up…

Betz August 28, 2009 at 10:47 pm

If Sookie and Bill stay together in my opinion, it would make the show more of a love story and i think that would be a mistake as im sure alot of fans would agree, especially fans of the books if when you read the books your “team eric” so to speak, even though the tv show has many differences to the books you would still be wanting to see those things you loved in the book to pan out and i feel that those other relationships are one of things i want to see pan out.

What i wrote was all just my opinion, you’ve kinda took it all to heart that i was having a go i wasn’t, yes AB has changed alot of the stories but not such great big details, Bill hidden agenda would be such a huge thing to change, it would alter the plot altogether Im not going to elaboratetoo much, because i don’t want to spoil anything for none readers or readers only so far into the series but if you re-read Definately dead you’ll hopefully see what i mean lots of the things that happen in that books (and leading to that book) happen with Sookie and Bill not together i can’t see them happening with them together like and he would no longer be basing the show on the books if that happened.
Keeping Lafyette was a fairly big change but he was a small charactor and not the main story. Sookie is the main charactor and Ab made it more interesting with Jason being involved in FOTS but like with Lafyette it didn’t affect the outcome, Godric still died (same with him being Eric’s maker, it just added to the story)The bomb still went off etc. I hope you can understand what im trying to say but i repeat it’s all just MY opinion… =)

Shayne August 28, 2009 at 10:09 pm

**Iin regard to you saying Bill was too enthusiastic in the first 2 eps to be faking, you have to remember he only just met Sookie so he wouldn’t of had the feelings for her that he had when he was so bad at the “slap on the wrist” lie that was much further on in thier relationship.**

Actually, I would have said that his reaction was because he was fascinated by her. I mean, think about it for a sec. If you were Bill, sent to Bon Temps on a mission of much importance by the queen, and you get to Merlotte’s, and find the object of your quest friendly and receptive to your charms, what’s the first thing you’re going to do? Run outside with a couple of fangbangers for a quick snack. That makes no sense. If he was on a mission he would have stayed in the bar and flirted with her some more. It was only after she’d saved his life, and told him off for having a ‘nasty mouth’, that he became so interested in her. Also, are you saying he’s working for the queen, but that he loves, too, and that’s why he’s become such a bad liar?

**I think AB is doing a great job, i think he is going in the same direction as the books in regard to bills betrayl as like someone said above the gaurds at Sophie-Ann’s knew him well and he did strutt in like he knew the place too well.**

The guard calling him by name doesn’t necessarily mean anything. When the guard greets Bill he says, “The queen is expecting you.” If you recorded the episode, take another look at that scene, and you’ll see that Bill stopped long enough to change his shirt and put on his leather jacket. And, I would be willing to bet that he took time to call and announce himself, too. I can’t see any other way for queen to know that he was coming, or the guard, for that matter.

** AB has to make bill look all loving because
a. he does love Sookie now he just came into her life with a hidden agenda.
b. we have to believe its not going on like in the book we had no idea until Eric announced it so all the none book readers wouldn’t expect it.**

But it’s *not* going on like the book. AB has changed so many things that, if I needed my fingers and toes to count to 20, I wouldn’t even get close to counting all of them.

**If AB kept bill together for the rest of the series it would become boring and Sookie has to have other relationships e.g Quinn.**

Why does Sookie have to have other relationships? Because that’s the way it is in the book, or just because? There are plenty of other characters who can break up and go out with other people. Not to mention, the main reason characters on tv break up and get back together/break up and go out with other people, is to create dramatic tension. The show has more than enough sources of dramatic tension that they don’t need to mine for more by using such a cheap cliche.

**He has to bring things in from other bookse.g Sophie-Ann and hadley being several books later then the second, because it would be too difficult to drag out one book into a season, he’s sticking to the main action storyline from book 2 with TFOS and Maryann.**

There’s more than enough material in one book to fill one season, because of the point of view change. The books are all written in first person, and every scene is filtered through Sookie’s eyes. But in order to show all the stuff going on outside of Sookie’s experience they had to add tons of scenes that weren’t in the books at all. That should be more than enough to fill in any shortfall. And yes, he’s sticking to the FOTS story and the Maryann story, but even those stories have been radically changed. Maryann (Callisto in the book) wasn’t evil in book 2. Jason had nothing to do with the FOTS. And Godric wasn’t Eric’s maker. And those are just a few of the differences.

**In regards to someone saying he kept Lafyette alive, he put someone else in that death and i think that might be because lafyette is such a good charactor it would be a shame to lose him so early (since theres 9 books and another one on the way).**

AB said that after he saw Nelsan Ellis in the pilot episode he knew he couldn’t kill him off. And yes, Lafayette is awesome. But my point is, if he’s not afraid to deviate from the book on that point, why would anyone think he’d be afraid to change something else.

Betz August 28, 2009 at 9:25 pm

I know you said spoiler but i can’t see how saying a name would be a spoiler so …..are you thinking Andre? if so in that pic he looks too much like Bill like Shayne says “sideburns….”
But then again, you could be right and they could just look similar the picture isn’t that close up. I never even imagined he’d be in it yet but now going over it in my head if Sophie-ann is why wouldn’t he be?
Im so glad it’s nearly Trueblood Sunday again, at least we’ll have a few points cleared up. just dreading the cliff hanger AB will leave us with till next season…. 🙂

Shayne August 28, 2009 at 7:49 pm

**As for why I dislike Bill- betrayal with the queen, betrayal with Lorena, was going to break up with her and “pension her off” WITHOUT telling her himself, THE RAPE (book 3), Selah, etc etc etc…**

The thing is, it seems a little unfair to judge Bill based on his actions in the books when he hasn’t committed those same actions on the show. Bill isn’t the cheating kind. We got to see that in his flashback during 1.05. He refused Lorena’s advances and proved himself a gentleman. And in the present, he had plenty of opportunity to cheat on Sookie with Lorena in the hotel room, but he never did, and subsequently made it achingly clear that he never wants to see Lorena again (“You are dead to me.”). With respect to the rape in book 3, I have to say that I think that’s a little unfair. Not that I condone rape by any stretch, but the fact is, Bill had been tortured and sleep-deprived until he was out of his mind, and he didn’t know what he was doing – and since, for a vampire, bloodlust and sex are all tied in together, it’s not exactly like comparing it to a human in the same circumstances. And finally, there’s no proof, as of yet, that Bill is working for the queen. The only reason anyone thinks he is is because he was in the books, but again, the books are so different there’s no reason to think Alan Ball won’t change this aspect of the story as well.

**it is important to remember that for those of us coming from the book series first, that Bill is only her boyfriend for the first TWO books. The THIRD is the story of his betrayal with Lorena and the first time there is a Sookie/Eric scene.**

I think it’s important for those people who are coming from the books first to remember that this isn’t like comparing Harry Potter the book to Harry Potter the movie, where the changes are simple ones, made in order to fit 700-some-odd pages of novel into a two-and-a-half hour movie. The changes that have been made to the storyline and characters on True Blood aren’t even close to simple. In the first season the main plot stayed mostly the same, but the characters, especially Bill, were radically different (I could list off dozens of examples, of either actions that are different, or the motivations behind them, if you wanted me to). In the second season, not only are the characters themselves different, but the plot is veering well away from the plot of the books as well – off the top of my head, introducing Lorena a full season early, introducing Sophie-Ann and Hadley several seasons early, no Weres at all, Maryann being evil and Sam’s enemy rather than his consort, Lafayette still alive and pushing V for Eric, Godric being a good guy and also Eric’s maker, Bill and Sookie still together when they get back from Dallas, no Portia anywhere to be found, everything with Jason and the fellowship of the sun, and the fact that all the Sookie/Eric moments have happened strictly within the confines of Sookie’s head. (I’m paraphrasing the next part from an article I read last year, but I’m fairly certain it hits the main points…) It’s also important to remember that when AB was reading Dead Until Dark, it was Bill, not Sookie, that he felt a connection with first. He said he liked the idea of this guy who has been alive for nearly two centuries, who feels as if he’s lost everything that’s ever mattered to him suddenly being offered a second chance at love. That was the first thing that grabbed him, so just because CH wrote something different in later books doesn’t mean that AB was going to change his mind about what he liked, or the direction that he had decided to take the show in.

**Book four on… Eric is the “main” love interest/friend/rescuer/defender of Sookie. Bill becomes almost a secondary character, that provides a constant source of inner conflict for Sookie. She is full of contempt for him but always conflicted because he was her first love and he “just won’t seem to go away”.**

First of all, isn’t Quinn her boyfriend for at least two of the later books? And, unless I misread something in the most recent book, the tide may be turning back toward Bill. I’m pretty sure it was Bill, and not Eric, that Niall was referring to at the very end. In book 8 (From Dead to Worse), on page 178, Bill says, “There is much you don’t know about Sookie. Know this: I will die for her. If you harm her, I’ll kill you.” Then he turns to Eric and asks, “Can you say the same?” And Eric wouldn’t. Bill’s answer sounds like someone who’s in love. Eric not so much. Also, on that same page, Sookie’s narration reads, ‘I looked at Eric with something close to hatred.’ And lastly, on page 242 of book 7 (Altogether Dead) Sookie says, “I wish I could cut Eric out of my life. But I can’t.” Eric might be more of a fixture in her life in the later books, but it doesn’t sound like he’s much of a love interest anymore.

Shayne August 28, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Hi AdoreBill,

Thanks for the support. I, too, am getting a little tired of all the Bill bashing that’s been going on lately. People seem to bash him based on stuff that hasn’t happened on the show at all, and applaud Eric/Sookie for the same reasons. It’s pretty clear AB doesn’t have any problem deviating from what was written in the books, so the argument that Eric/Sookie is unavoidable just makes no sense. Even if I’ve not managed to convince anyone else, the one thing I have done this week is convince myself that Bill is not working for the queen. Obviously I’m a Bill fan, so I want that to be true, but I legitimately believe that it is true, too.

AB has, especially in the last couple of eps, placed Bill very clearly into the role of good guy. If you contrast his behavior with Eric’s, it’s very clear. For example, in ep 2.01 Eric ripped that guy apart, and tortured Lafayette for weeks. In ep 2.09, Bill showed mercy to that fellowship kid, and it’s not as if he did it to curry favor with Sookie, because there was no one around to see it. Eric takes almost every opportunity to do Bill dirt, and yet twice this season Bill has defended Eric to Sookie when he didn’t have to – first, in 2.03 when Sookie was so angry about what Eric did to Lafayette, and Bill pointed out that Eric had helped to save her life, and then in 2.09, when Sookie was, again, mad at Eric, and Bill reminded her that Eric had taken bullets for her.

Even if you go back to season 1 and the Bill/Sookie/Sam triangle, Sam was constantly badmouthing Bill every chance he got, but Bill, despite knowing that Sam was a shapeshifter, never did the same back.

Bill is honorable. He sticks to a more human code of morality, as opposed to Eric, who seems to think that the rules are really more like guidelines. For example, having Lafayette selling V, which I am convinced is about more than just getting hold of the names of Lafayette’s clients, because Lafayette was more than willing to turn over the names when he was being held by Eric in the first place.

shutterbugg01 August 28, 2009 at 11:00 am

Did you all forget that the Queen had an “underling”? A very very close body guard so to speak.

me August 28, 2009 at 6:51 am

I wasn’t meaning that the vampire blood started her telepathy, but I am saying that it has enhanced her telepathy, if vampire blood can enhance your senses ,why not enhance her abilities, but I have also read somewhere that Sookie is a fairy so I am completely off base, but who knows what Alan is thinking. I have got to read the books.

TruEricFan August 27, 2009 at 2:59 pm

The telepathy is definitely not due to vampire blood since she has been telepathic since she was a child. I didn’t even think of some other power when Bill said she was more than human…I wonder if Alan is going to incorporate that part of the story or if he is going to a whole other place with that.

Lorena said Barry tasted different too, so maybe the ‘more than human’ is telepathic, she knew with one taste that he was different.

The white light that came out of her hand I attributed her to being a christian, that believes wholeheartedly in God, touching the epitome of evil. I can’t wait to see what Alan does with her powers.

me August 27, 2009 at 1:43 pm

I think that even Sookie knows all that she is capable of, she has just now started appreciating her mind reading abilities so this will be an exploration for all involved. If Sookie doesn’t know what she did or how she did it then how would the vampires, Bill, Sophie-Ann or Eric? But I do think they (all) would like to know how powerful she really is.

me August 27, 2009 at 8:34 am

I disagree with your statement “because I’m pretty sure Sookie never had any kind of active power at all, and certainly not as early as book 2.” at the end of Living dead in Dallas, I believe that is book 2, Sookie makes a comment that when she and Bill were making love, she said that “his skin was glowing as it usually does but this time her skin is glowing”. I wonder if her newly discovered power was with her all along or is it developing with the drinking of the vampire blood specifically drinking from Eric? because the book from the scene was when Bill smelled Eric on her and he was “remarking” his territory.

me August 27, 2009 at 7:39 am

Eric found out during Sookies first visit to Fangtasia, she warned him about the cops and the vampire in the bathroom feeding on the guy he kicked. So I don’t think he knows exactly what she can do, maybe he thinks she is psychic.

Shayne August 26, 2009 at 11:44 pm

It seems kind of odd to me that Sophie-Ann would trust Bill enough to send him to seduce Sookie, but then would get Eric to put a lid on his curiosity. If she trusts him enough to do an extremely sensitive job – but doesn’t trust Eric, one of her sheriffs, enough to even keep him in the loop? – doesn’t it make sense that she would trust him to find out the truth about Sookie for her? He’s in a much better position to do it than anyone else. And if she doesn’t trust him that much, why send him at all? Why not send someone she trusts more instead?

Shayne August 26, 2009 at 11:29 pm

I believe the magister gave Bill the punishment he did because he could tell by the way that Bill was talking that making Jessica would be a punishment, as opposed to any other vampire, who it wouldn’t bother at all. Also, the fact that Longshadow was a thief, and hurting Eric’s business was a mitigating circumstance in Bill’s favor, and Eric did, reluctantly, stick up for Bill. And last, the magister also said that vampire ranks were very low, and so, not only did Bill’s punishment fit the crime, it also served a greater purpose.

Shayne August 26, 2009 at 11:01 pm

With all the changes to the story that Alan Ball has made, why is everyone so convinced that he won’t change this aspect of the story, too? What made sense in the books, what fit with the characters as they’d been set up, no longer fits because both the characters and the storyline are so radically different.

Also, why do so many people seem to think that Bill is the lowest of the low for – possibly – entering Sookie’s life under false pretenses, but it’s all right for Eric to willfully betray Sookie by tricking her into drinking his blood. Any feelings she has for him are completely fabricated; he got into her head under totally false pretenses, and what makes it even worse is that he did it knowing it was totally against her will.

shutterbugg01 August 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm

It’s Bill who will betray Sookie. Thus, allowing her to open up and add to her little black book.

Shayne August 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Bill’s actions are not the actions of a man fulfilling a duty. They are the actions of a man in love. After knowing Sookie for only a week he killed the man who molested her twenty years ago. If he was only acting on Sophie-Ann’s orders he would never have bothered to do something like that. Especially since Sookie is obviously smart enough to put two and two together, and her finding out was just as likely to break them apart as it would have been to endear him to her.

He staked Longshadow knowing full well the consequences of killing another vampire. He could have just as easily tackled Longshadow away from Sookie, but he chose the way that would get Sookie out of danger the fastest, even though it was too his own detriment.

In ep 1.06 he wakes up from a dream, thinking that Sookie is being strangled. If he didn’t care about her beyond a duty, I seriously doubt he would have been having nightmares about her dying. Also, when he wakes up, he looks at his watch, realizes it’s still light out, and goes to get up to go to her, but doesn’t go. Then, in the finale – which is only a week later in Bon Temps time – he realizes that she’s in danger and goes running off in broad daylight on what he has to believe is likely a suicide mission. If he was acting on the queen’s orders he wouldn’t have been willing to sacrifice himself to save her. Or, conversely, if he was actually so loyal to the queen that he was willing to sacrifice himself just to please her, he would have gone out in the sun when he thought Sookie was in danger in 1.06.

With respect to idea that calling the queen would give away the game to Eric, that really shouldn’t matter, since Eric is one of the queen’s subjects, and as such, bound by her orders. So if she told Eric to back off Bill and keep his mouth shut about it, he should do so without question, especially since he’s not only her subject, but one of her officials as well.

And the thing with Bill and Lettie May, I kind of wondered if it was because of the things that Sookie has likely told Bill about Tara and her mom. Bill was a devoted family man when he was alive, so I think he would likely frown on an alcoholic, abusive mother, especially if the person being abused was a friend of Sookie’s.

Shayne August 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm

In the… I believe it’s the sixth book… Eric makes Bill admit why he came back to Bon Temps, and Bill actually comes right out and says that the queen wanted to harness Sookie’s ability for her own use. Sophie-Ann may not know why Sookie is a telepath, but she knows that she is one. That means that Bill would have known, too.

Also, I’m wondering how long Eric has known. When he first meets Sookie he obviously has no idea what she can do, but the next time we see him, stretched out in Bill’s bathtub, he asks Bill, “Did you really think you could keep her all to yourself?”, and the way he says it makes me think that, by that point, he knows exactly what she can do. Bill obviously didn’t tell him, so how did he find out?

Stuart August 26, 2009 at 12:26 pm

That is Hadley Hale aka Lindsey Haun. She tweeted saying that she is blond for the show and not brunette like the books. Would explan why she is in a cowgirl like suit than a goth one that i prefuse she would be wearing around that time since she went all gothic in her high school years. I’ve always loved the character of Hadley and I can’t wait for her to show up. What I like about her is the fact we don’t know much about her and that is a bigger mystery to me than the books. But yes that is Hadley Hale in the picture.

me August 26, 2009 at 11:59 am

Because any and all of those actions would have given clues to Eric and the other vampires that Bill is working for the Queen. Bill is to protect Sookie not let everybody know what she is and that he is working for the queen. Eric made a comment in I will rise to Sookie about Bill attraction to her, maybe its not attraction to Sookie as much as it is respect for the queen and her orders.

What was up with the look between Bill and Tara’s mom at Lafayett’s house?

mmustarrrd August 26, 2009 at 12:28 am

First off Shayne.. I luv u! lol You just said everything I would like to but am too lazy to type!

Secondly..shutterbugg01

how do you know it’s not Bill? If you have a spoiler you should really share it with me! You can email it to me! PLEASE!

deenj August 25, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Remember in Season 1 when Bill says to Eric that “Sookie must be protected” and Eric says “that sounds like an edict and if it were I would know”. Bill walking into the Queen’s estate and the guards knowing him, Eric telling Sam he may know someone who can help with Maryann, do they meet at Sophie Annes and he finds out that Bill is working for the Queen?

Shayne August 25, 2009 at 8:34 pm

Alan Ball only sticks with about half of what goes on in the books. He’s gone out of his way to make Bill a better character in every other way possible (and addressing a lot of the complaints readers have had about Bill from the books). So why is there any reason to think that he wouldn’t change this, too?

shutterbugg01 August 25, 2009 at 8:32 pm

I LOVE your attention to detail!!!!

Shayne August 25, 2009 at 8:28 pm

It seems to me that someone wouldn’t just drop by on the queen without calling ahead first to announce they were coming. And just because he knows her – I would expect most vampires would know the queen or king in the area in which they lived, anyway – doesn’t mean he’s up to anything nefarious.
Also, I’ve never seen anyone with a worse poker face than Bill when he tries to lie (e.g. ep. 1.09 “It’s just a simple slap on the wrist.”). He’s completely transparent (on the show), so why would anyone in their right mind choose to use him for an undercover mission? And along the same lines, his repeated question – “What are you?” – in the first two episodes seemed far too enthusiastic and genuine for him to have been faking.

Hijadejosefa August 25, 2009 at 8:02 pm

Did anyone catch that all the queen’s guard know who Bill is? Is the vampire community so small or is it that Bill has been a fixture at the palace? And what does that mean for the future of Bill and Sookie if it means that It wasn’t a coincidence that Bill met up with a telepath in Sophie-Ann’s kingdom?

Shayne August 25, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Actually, in the blurb for season 11 it says that Bill must show patience before Sophie-Ann will give him the information he needs to defeat Maryann. Sophie-Ann has been compared to a cross between Hannibal Lecter and Paris Hilton – She’s capricious and cruel, and she likes messing with people, and if he says or does the wrong thing, she likely won’t help him. I think that’s what’s going on in the picture.

Stacy August 25, 2009 at 3:56 pm

I think that Alan Ball said Sookie and Bill would be the focus couple because he doesn’t want to ruin any surprises. He’s lied before to fool fans. He lied and varified that Lafayette was dead in the car and he’s still alive and sassy. He can’t come out and say Bill is a liar and is on a mission from the Queen and that Eric prevails when it comes to Sookie’s love life… so he lied to keep it ashock to non-book fans/readers.

Stacy August 25, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Sorry about all the repeat comments. I’m doing it on my sidekick and it kept saying website not found when I would submit it and made me think my comments weren’t being posted. My phone lies as much a Bill does!

Mara August 25, 2009 at 11:53 am

If it turns out that Eric was the one instead of Bill like in book than I’m going to be really pissed.

sweetwhysper August 25, 2009 at 9:50 am

ME TOO!!! I didn’t much care for episode 10, there wasn’t enough Eric in it!!

watts1987 August 25, 2009 at 9:31 am

Anna may be married to Steven in real life, but like the books, I’m rooting for Eric! :o)

Andrea August 25, 2009 at 6:57 am

I don’t know that little strut he had walking up to her house hmmm… slight persona change. None of us can guess what Alan Ball has planned. Can Eric be the one Queen Sophie Ann wanted to get closer to Sookie and does he instead of Bill be the one to betray her but develop feelings in the interim? One thing always stated is Bill fell in love with Sookie not knowing she was something other than human,Eric did. So question being is it Bill or Eric that had a hidden agenda to get closer to Sookie and both inadvertently fell for her??

shelby August 25, 2009 at 12:21 am

Hadley is suppose to come in soon. cant wait! i think that maybe that is her.

karin August 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm

a vampire burns in the sun- how can they be sunbathing?

Stacy August 24, 2009 at 9:36 pm

It has to be Bill with Queen Sophie-Anne and Hadley. A lot of Bill fans are gonna be pissed with next ep if they’re at least sticking to that part of the book storyline.

Alicia August 24, 2009 at 9:34 pm

I dont know…it looks like flip-flops by Bill’s feet. Dont think they had those in the 30’s. Maybee it is a flashback to a later time.

maryp August 24, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Oh geez.. I didn’t even think of that. Sunbathing?? WTF? haha

cgp August 24, 2009 at 7:20 pm

But is that Hadley?